Wednesday, July 28, 2010

Sherrif’s nephew claims Travis Walton Hoax well known?


The folloing rant was sent to me to discredit Waltons character. I present it unedited. I didn't write this. 



"Let those without sin cast the first stone" JC.
The Accusation:
"Ok all of you alien freaks I hate to ruin your dreams but here is the truth about Travis Walton, I am from Snowflake Az ( which is were Travis Walton is from) and I gradated with his oldest child ( who's name is Clifton and his cousin Donavan graduated in are same class, just trying to prove my point that I did, it was the class of 1996) my great uncle is Sank Flake who was the county Sheriff at the time of the abduction, Travis Walton and Mike Rogers worked together for a couple of years in the white Mountains cutting lumber down for the paper mills, IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE TO ALL RESIDANTS OF YOUNG ARIZONA WHICH IS WHERE TRAVIS WAS APPERANTLY ABDUCTED THAT THE AIR FORCE DID ALOT OF TEST MANUVERS THROUGH THE MOUNTAINS FOR TRAINING, for us who have been camping in the white mountains for most of are lives, on a rare occasion the forest ranger will come and say to campers that there will be helicopters and other stuff flying through the air during the night please do not be alarmed and if you get spot lighted it will only be for a second, here is my point, Mike and Travis were way behind on contracts so they hired a few extra hands, which took them over there budget, one of them was a well known acid freak from Concho Az which is about 5 miles outside of Snowflake, ( his name is Dallas) my uncle arrested Dallas on drug charges he was on bail when he was hired by Mike Rogers to work, THE DAY THAT TRAVIS WALTON WAS ABDUCTED IS THE SAME DAY THAT THE AIRFORCE WAS DOING TRAINING IN THE WHITE MOUNTAINS, yes Travis got out of the truck and looked up in the sky at the weird lights that were above him and yes a spot light came all around him, and Mike Rogers drove off and left him and the spot light came on the truck which scared all the men in the truck, the spot light was only on them for a second, Mike drove to the diner which was twelve miles down the road called the red robin inn diner, MIKE WAS THE ONLY PERSON WHO WENT BACK TO PICK-UP TRAVIS FROM THE SPOT WHERE HE FOUND TRAVIS WHO WAS PASSED OUT FROM DRINKING AFTER THEY GOT DONE WITH WORK THAT DAY,they were going to lose there contracts in a couple days which was going to bankrup Travis and Mikes business. The guys who stayed at the diner told all the patrons that they saw weird lights and it chased them and they said that Travis got out and what had happened, all those guys had friends come pick them up at the diner except one, Dallas, Dallas started to hitch hike down the road and was picked up by one Mike Rogers, Dallas had told Mike what all the guys were saying in the inn and that the patrons were asking alot about the lights around the truck and around Travis, they told the patrons that they were being attacked by UFO'S, TRAVIS WALTON WAS AT DALLAS'S HOUSE IN CONCHO ARIZONA FOR FIVE DAYS GETTING HIGH OFF HIS ASS, Travis Walton will tell you in his book " The Walton Expirience " that he passed a lie ditector test twice and so did all of his co-workers, what he doesn't say in there are the questions that were asked to him and his co-workers, my uncle saw the questions that were being asked, like did you see lights in the sky, did a light come upon you, did a light follow you in the truck, those are the questions that were aske to Travis Walton and his co-workers so he wasn't lying about what he was saying, something else Travis Walton does not tell you in his book is how Dallas was sent to jail 1 month after the apperent abduction for three years for failing a drug test and selling drugs, and he also fails to mention how the lumber contracts were payed off and new contracts were made, Hmmm ironic, now alot you may say how do I know that Travis walton was at Dallas house, I dont know, but when Travis was found in Heber Az and after he got out of the hospital his sister and Mike and his wife were riding in the police car with my Uncle they were going to pick up Dallas to go to the town hall in snowflake to talk with all these people my Uncle asked Travis if he new where Dallas lived in Concho, Travis said no, as they were turning on the road to Dallas house my uncle accidentally turned down the wrong road, and Travis told him that he needed to actually turn down the next road, my uncle said I thought you didn't know where he lived, and Travis response was that he had heard Dallas telling Mike how to get to his house, wow if I got abducted by aliens and there was alot of attention on me at that time in my life I just dont know if I could tell you an exact road to go on if I had never been there before and I heard it in second conversation. And here is my proof about the whole thing, when my Uncle Sank was retired he told my Uncles and my dad that they new Travis was in Concho after the fact but there was alot of man power spent on trying to find him for the week he was gone and there was alot of money being brought into the community about the whole ordeal so they just let it be, and Travis has made alot of money on his ordeal, but trust me people his Family went through hell from critism from the town folk and his poor son Clifton was made fun of ruthlessly throughtout school, which I new clifton and I liked him, but he new who my uncle was and my uncle was actually the James Gardner person in the movie, and my uncle always was critical of Travis, so I could tell clifton didnt like my uncle. But I apologize for the post being so long it was the only way I could say everything, and yes everybody in Snowflake will tell you the exact same story I said, that is why Travis never does interviews in Snowflake he does not want the reporters to ask questions to anybody who was around at that time, so go ahead and start attacking my claim and I promise I will give you an answer to every question.

P.S. Sorry Clifton"


The written accusation above came to me via a YouTube presentation "Travis Walton at the International UFO Congress" 2010 I put up. The statements above are nothing but a rehash of accusations leveled at Walton for a number of years. To prove this I refer to a two part post I published in April 2007 "Travis Walton: The Hoax That wasn't ", and I quote:
"Debunkers' Concerns:
1. The young man, Travis Walton, had a expunged record (burglary) so Mr. No Klass mentioned the record in his book, but didn't mention how he came by this fact. Of course, this should have been a plus to Walton's character, since he did get the conviction wiped off the record by doing what was right, but Klass didn't represent it that way in the book. Travis had revealed his youthful offence in the primary examination after the UFO incident.
2. Mr. Klass had valid data which indicated that certain information had been withheld intentionally by APRO (Aerial Phenomena Research Organization) which was based in Tucson, Arizona. (Travis Watson failed his first polygraph test administered by an expert with 10 years experience, hired by APRO).
3. Travis took a second Polygraph test (two months later) and he passed, but Klass pointed out the examiners only had 2 years experience and was instructed what questions to ask.
4. The motive given for the hoax by the debunkers and others is: Mike Rogers, owner of the business for nine years," had grossly underestimated the magnitude of the job and could not complete it on time" This would result in payment held up till spring unless he could prove an act of God –which this was.

Also about the area:
"By the way, just a note, under the freedom of information act documents were de-classified to indicate activity by UFOs in and around the areas at that time:

"DOD, USAF, and CIA document reveal that during October, November, and December of 1975, reliable military personnel repeatedly sighted unconventional aerial objects in the vicinity of nuclear-weapons storage areas, aircraft alert areas and nuclear-missile control facilities at Loring Air Force Base, Maine; Wurtsmith AFB Michigan; Malstrom AFB, Montana; Minot AFB, North Dakota…"

http://www.cohenufo.org/Gilson_Wltn%20Ltr%20to%20Black.htm

I know this person once to believe his uncle but the idea of helicopters and jet maneuvers being mistaken for what Seven witnesses testified about is ridicules. We all know that police do not like to be wrong and they will many times continue to peruse their first line of thinking on a case right or wrong. The truth is how many cops would believe someone who has committed a crime about something like this. The other accusation his great uncle makes is not news at all, it is the same accusations we've had from the beginning. But think about this if it was a hoax? Walton had to had to have planned it when he was hit by the "beam". When that "spotlight" hit him he acted as if he was knocked back and unconscious. So what are we to think… Travis Walton is the Robert De Nero of UFO land…wow what adlibbing? It was also very nice that the "helicopter" cooperated in this hoax by shining a spotlight in front of the other witnesses.
Travis Walton was convicted of burglary when he was younger many. I wouldn't expect the townspeople to put much trust in Travis Walton. He was a trouble make, however he had his record expunged before this, and that is never mentioned.. You can't attack the evidence by attacking the character. The National Inquirer was there and here is Jeff Wales the reporter from the inquirer described the meeting their first meeting with Travis:
"Jeff Wales, upon seeing Travis's brother for the first time reported "The cowboy (Travis Watson's brother Duane) was no disappointment. He was one of the meanest and toughest-looking men I've ever seen - in his late twenties, a rodeo professional and amateur light-heavyweight fighter, a total abstainer, broad-shouldered, T-shirt packed with muscle, chiseled-down hips, bow legged, eyes full of nails, tense, unpredictable."
"Nobody is going to laugh at my brother," he told Wales.Wales replied… "we would hide them away and pay the kid a grand to tell his story"
"To our relief the cowboy agreed - but not, he said, because of the money, because his brother had a true story to tell which would enlighten the world".
"Our first sight of the kid (Travis) was at dinner in the hotel dining room that night. It was a shock. He sat there mute, pale, twitching like a cornered animal. He was either a brilliant actor or he was in serious funk about something".

Polygraph Test:
Question: What would happen to a person emotionally who had actually been taken aboard a ship by horrible looking aliens?
"The "National Inquirer", investigated the story, found Travis to be so upset it necessitated flying in a husband-and-wife team of psychiatrists from Colorado to tranquilize the kid (Travis) and keep the cowboy (his brother) from exploding.
Jeff Wells reported "The kid was a wreck and it was all the psychiatrist could do to get him ready for the lie-detector expert we had lined up.
The test lasted an hour and I was in the next room fending off the TV crew when I heard the cowboy scream: "I'll kill the son of a bitch!"
"The kid had failed the test miserably. The polygraph man said it was the plainest case of lying he'd seen in 20 years but the office (The National Enquirer) was yelling for another expert and a different result.
To head that off we had the psychiatrist put the cowboy and the kid through a long session of analysis.
Their methods were unique. The next day the four of them disappeared into a room and soon a waiter was headed there with two bottles of cognac.
At the end of it the psychiatrists were rolling drunk but they had their story and the brothers were crestfallen.
It seemed that the kid's father, who had deserted them as a child, had been a spaceship fanatic and all his life the kid had wanted to ride in a spacecraft.
He had seen something out there in the woods, some kind of an eerie light which had triggered a powerful hallucination which might recur at any time. There was no question of any kidnap by any mushroom men."

Travis Walton told a story of strange unemotional beings nothing like what his father and family believed. Would you take someone who this happen to him and get a great polygraph test while they were still in shock? "
And what of the final skeptics test:
"The following report on the final polygraph examination of Travis Walton, Mike Rogers and Allan was actually sponsored by a skeptic, Jerry Black. The test was performed with the latest state of the art equipment, by Cy Gilson, the most highly respected polygraph expert".
The relevant questions asked during the polygraph test, and the answers given, are reproduced here:
http://www.ufocasebook.com/walton_gilson.html


A comment by the Cy Gilson examiner niece:
Cy Gilson was my uncle, and his professionalism and his skill as a polygraph expert are perhaps unmatched amongst his peers in the field of polygraphy as a forensic tool.

we discussed this Travis Walton and crew test, and back then, Cy told me that he was more or less forced to rethink the "humans are the sole form of intelligent life in the universe" concept, something most Catholics cannot handle admitting too very readily or freely.

I support his conclusion that the men told the truth, and I think that the absurdity of assuming 'human' life is the only 'intelligent life' in the Universe, speaks for itself.

It wouldn't surprise me if life elsewhere has since marked the Earth a; "no visit zone, no intelligent life there" based on the insipid propensity for humans to kill everything they cannot understand or comprehend.

The evidence of who Travis Walton is confronts the skeptics even now his continuing life after this incident. without any crime since is a testament to how powerful this experience can be.
http://ufomedia.blogspot.com/2007/04/travis-walton-hoax-that-wasnt.html

http://ufomedia.blogspot.com/2007/04/travis-walton-hoax-that-wasnt_08.html
Joseph Capp
UFO Media Matters
Non-Commercial Blog



Clips Of Travis's 210 Presentation;



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150 comments:

  1. For some reason I find it hard to believe or take seriously something that starts out by calling people "alien freaks."

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    1. Thanks Lesley,
      If you go to You Tube and type in UFO take a look at the hateful accusation by anyone showing a ufo video. It makes me wonder if these people think it's so silly why are they taking time out of their day to look into UFOs.
      As Shakespeare said they "doth protest to much" These people are afraid and that is why they react so hatefully.
      Joe Capp
      UFOMM
      Non-Commercial Blog

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    2. Robert De Niro asshole

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    3. I believe Travis this guy can barley spell the government as well as military knows how to belittle someone's character ie alcohol to discredit their story let me say this I don't give a Damn how drunk u are if anyone sees an ufo your snapping out of the state of drunkenness

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    4. Exactly Lesley I said the same damn thing this guy is a moron There have been sightings all over the world humans are afraid of what they don't know exist not only that but afraid because they can't explain it and it's a big world no human not even scientists knows Everything that's out there Hell it's been factly proving that humans only know 5% of ocean life but cringe when hearing of mermaids So you mean to tell me WE can believe before humans existed that these gigantic reptiles called DINOSAURS were here but we can't seem to wrap our minds around Aliens, Satch Squatches, mermaids... Just who are we to say it doesn't and dont exist smh

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    5. Are you actually serious with that? There's undeniable evidence with dinosaurs. The only people who try to refute that are religious driven individuals who see contradictions on their beliefs. I can wrap my mind around aliens just fine... just not about them coming here and abducting people.

      The fact is, people WANT to believe. In numerous things. In fact, it's a huge drive in our collective nature. We take belief over plausibility and run with it. It's a basis as to why people can have blind faith about impossible things such as the virgin birth, or aliens, or (sigh) mermaids.

      There's no belief in dinosaurs, it's a fact. There's no evidence whatsoever that bigfoot exists. Ok fine, no REAL evidence. Yeah, we only know about a minute amount of life in the ocean, but that doesn't mean there's an equal chance of them being real as not. We do know a fair amount about science though, and considering that mermaids were folklore, I think we can assume they don't exist.

      "Believers" take the X (unknown) factor, run with it, and assume that their hope fills in all the blanks. It's the same method, be it from religion, conspiracies, or paranormalists.

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    6. people out there want to believe there there's ufo out there but really there not. see travis walton and him crew just did for fame and money. iam sorry i just don't believe in his story
      sorry.

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    7. Don't know Mr Travis" Cool Story.
      I know that U.F.O. sightings are real without a doubt. Vast universe but no one's home? lol.
      Really? The earth has and is being visited all the time.

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    8. You know I don't know why people bother trying to prove stuff like this because let's be honest, real aliens could come out of the sky in the middle of the day, land on the white house lawn, take a shit on camera, shake hands with the president then take pictures with the entire white house staff, give a written statement saying they are indeed aliens to the press, pass 16 polygraphs and submit their DNA to 20 different scientists then fly off.. and people would still say Naw, it's a hoax by so so for whatever reason waste of time

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  2. Joe,

    Ok, here's my heresay -- a man that was the best man for my first marriage also lived in Snowflake at the time and for LONG afterwards. That person, my buddy, was also a very knownn person in that area - indeed, back in the early internet days you could literally google the term `visionary' and my buddy's name was on the front page of google.(Do to his work as a go-between for the Hopi Indians and another tribe.)
    Regardless of all that - my buddy is a man of TRUST in the community - knew Travis (SNOWFLAKE was very small) and knew him to be truthful. Also, over the years I've asked him on more than one occasion to tell me if he `other' crappola about the whole stated experience - his answer - NO.

    I'll leave it at that as to who I'd trust - some kid trying to carve out the tiniest of 15 minutes of fame on the internet with a STORY - or - my buddy of over 45 years - I think you know my answer.

    Rick Phillips

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    1. Thank you for your comment. In some people's book anyone who even sees a UFO is either a hoaxer or a nut.
      But those of us who have seen them up-close or know good honest people who have seen them know that is the biggest lie of all.
      Joe
      UFOMM

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    1. Sounds to me like guy mad it didn't happen to him there are so many contradictions in his story and he can't even spell he said the first lie detector tester had 10 years on his belt yet stated that the lie detector guy said it was the worst lie he had heard in 20 years and do what he got a criminal history aliens ain't looking criminals or something it's not a job app or looking for his criminal history to rent a house to the person i could go on but I'll leave it at that

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  4. Dear Lesley,
    They hate us alright and they can't get over that we see people as three dimensional human beings not two like they see us and anyone involved.

    Thanks
    Joe
    UFOMM

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  5. Dear Rick,
    Great story it's hard for me to imagine the Travis Walton I met as being this sleazy hoaxer. My friend had dinner with him and called me to tell me what a great guy he was.
    Thanks Rick for putting this up on the web I think Travis deserves this type of support.
    Joe
    UFOMM

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  6. For my part? I can't be bothered by flaccid klasskurtxians who won't be interrupted in their turgid, cowardly, and unimaginative debunkery long enough to hit the return key for a freakin' new paragraph, eh?

    Thanks for the deconstruction of same Joe.

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  7. Dear Alfred,
    I guess u would call it a "stream of viciousness".

    Thanks
    Joe
    ufomm

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  8. Travis' father supposidly being into "spaceships" actually fits the pattern that we see of familial close encounters/experiencers.

    And the police should have checked Dallas' home during the days Travis was missing. It all sounds like sour grapes to me -- shoddy police investigative work, locals who don't like someone (usually for very local reasons)....after all when we look back on the Salem Witch Trials, it was neighbor against neighbor. Unfortunately, not much has changed but thankfully we have laws in place to protect us from peoples negative opinions.

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  9. This is possibly the worst (and most inarticulate) attempt at debunkery I have ever read.

    I am reminded of this adolescent kid that I ran into at Roswell who basically said "all the alien s**t is a buncha crap...and everybody here knows it". Decades of research, hundreds of reasonably credible witnesses, (one of whom I knew long distance from a day job I held), and some snot-nosed illiterate brat negates it without anything resembling a coherent thought and no backup. Whatever.

    All of which would not be an issue if people would just consider the source, use their judgement, and not give people like this the time of day until they can back up what they are saying and present it with some degree of intelligence.

    The internet has really caused a cultural crescendo of abject stupidity: any idiot with an opinion and an ego can have a platform where people just slightly less evolved then them will give them credibility.

    I hate to sound like a cranky old man, but "back in the day"...before being able to code html or make a YouTube video or a frigging podcast gave you instant credibility, this would have been wadded up and thrown into the roundfile without a second thought.

    This kid wants to discredit Walton? Great. Let's see some signed statements from the officials involved at the time...and maybe some lie detector tests to reinforce those statements. Otherwise this is just an exercise in pathos and does not merit any consideration whatsoever.

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    1. You used "then" instead of "than" in the fourth paragraph.

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    2. there is no fourth paragraph in his statement, just one whole line of nonsense..

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    3. Very well said JL. I was thinking the exact same thing. Just some redneck kid with a grade 3 grammar level intelligence trying to lend credibility to his equally dimwitted sheriff uncle.

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  10. I recently moved to Arizona and bought a house. The customer service representative for the builder is from Snowflake. He says that he knows the Waltons and Mike Rodgers. He said they used to sub for his PE class. He also said that these people were very genuine "salt of the earth" type of people. Especially Mike Rodgers would never kid around, very serious and honest. He says he and everyone he knows in the area believe their story.

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  11. Dear JL,
    I think you would be right if we were only preaching to the choir...but were not. There are a great deal of people out there who sees and believes this stuff. I believe I will answer whatever I can for the sake of the witnesses who have came forward. That is the main reason for this blog and why it is non-Commercial.
    But believe me I get your point.
    Joe
    Joe
    UFOMM

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  12. Dear Alejandro,
    Looking forward to seeing you at the International UFO Congress in Arizona next year and by the way great mag. "Open Minds" keep it up. Were bringing three night vision goggles and hope to catch something when we go to the congress.
    I think some people may be envious of Walton that is always a possibility. I agree with you about Polygraphing certain individuals on the other side of the coin. In a past post I called on UFO researcher to demand in the future when these characters come forward to polygraph them. A prime example is the two who came out claiming they were the cause of Brentwaters. One claiming he drove a police car as a hoax and caused the UFO the other claimed he burnt trash. Also another case which is not related to UFOs. That the character who came out and said he was Bigfoot in the Patterson film. Why wasn't he polygraphed immediately. If we put some of out best witnesses through the ordeal of a polygraph them then we should demand the same when the debunkers present out one of these characters as a solution.

    Thanks
    Joe
    UFOMM

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  13. Lol, that was pretty sorry. I was expecting that since the guy is from Snowflake he would be claiming inside knowledge, that the Walton family confessed to him it was a hoax or something like that. But instead it's just a bunch of hypothesizing that people like Phil Klass touched on years ago. And it's kind of hard to take the guy seriously when he starts his rant off with, "OK all of you alien freaks", can't spell, and apparently doesn't know what a period is.

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  14. Thanks Sean,

    I felt Travis deserved an answer from the people who believe in his experience.
    Joe
    UFOmm

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  15. I just read Billy Cox on the latest semi-literate L.A Times article, and then watched the equally semi-literate video from a Thunk Tank that was in his blog. I just read the latest MUFON Journal, and the abduction article was barely above the level of The National Enquirer. Perry White explodes, "Great Cesar's Ghost....Where's Kent?"

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  16. Hi Joe -- this appears to be the original source for the comment from Snowflake AZ -- 2007 on the IMDb review of the movie "Fire in the Sky"

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106912/board/nest/93104867?p=1

    The original comment is there, as you posted it, but there's also several follow up responses from the same source for the original comment.

    Just thought you'd want to consider this further information on the subject.

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  17. Oh yeah paratopia has a brand new podcast with Travis Walton -- pretty fascinating:

    http://www.cyberears.com/index.php/Browse/playaudio/9987

    He says if it was a government mind control experiment it was completely convincing.

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  18. Dear spiraldance,
    This is what I love about the internet. Learning more and more about the perosn through the interaction of people. All the ranting on earth will not hide the truth, and the truth is, the Travis Walton they see, are not the real Travis Walton but he is seen through the eyes of a agenda based on expediency and a rigid belief system. I know some say ignor these people and some I do. I don't pretend that some of them do influence others that may have been open minded. Reducing the value of people through their imperfect humanity when they have changed is a low blow at a UFO witnesses so UFO Media Matters took issue with it.
    Thanks
    Joe
    ufomm

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  19. Consider the Source!July 31, 2010 at 3:18 PM

    A You Tube comment? Any half drunk fool can type any stream of semi-consciousness into You Tube and it's posted. Like most other haters, this joker does more harm to his "cause" than to his target. Nobody takes flaming nonsense in You Tube comments seriously, even when it does not appear to have been written by a developmentally disabled thirteen year old.

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  20. No one can claim he is telling the truth and be sure, but, he has always been a calm, and thoughtful speaker.

    He appears "resigned" to what ever he is...take it or leave it.

    We must use reason.

    Thanks for yet another awesome subject to ponder, Joe. :)

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  21. Dear C T S,
    True but he is a prime example of the debunkers belief system. It is not only disbelief in anything like this it is hatred of anyone who is invovled in anything like this.
    Joe
    UFOMm

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  22. It should be somewhat troubling that Sank Flake was never the "county sheriff," a rather large error for his supposed nephew to make. Flake was the police chief in the then-tiny Town of Snowflake for many years. Marlin Gillespie was the Navajo County Sheriff at the time. I was living in Heber when the Walton incident occurred, and my father-in-law was in the same business as Walton and Rogers. He also speculated that the incident was invented because Walton and Rogers were having problems with their Forest Service contracts, but this was pure baseless speculation. I've been the legal advisor to the Navajo County Sheriff's Office for the past 13 years and have not heard anything "incriminating" about Walton.

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  23. Dear Lancebp,
    Thank you so much for helping us to get the full picture of what happened. I wonder now if this Walton hater was even telling the truth, and if not why all this bother? I wish I could get in touch with Clifton who he apologies to, but I think Clifton has enough of the limelight.
    This is why the internet is so important a man who didn't do anything wrong has been victimized twice, once by who ever took him, and twice by those who were suppose to protect him.
    Thanks again
    Joe
    UFOMM

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  24. Hi guys, it's me. Travis. The whole thing WAS a lie. I needed a way to postpone my financial obligations; I was going to lose everything! The spotlight from the helicopter and subsequent UFO story was an easy way out. I never expected the story to snowball like it did. I was pretty messed up on drugs at the time. I'm sorry for the all the ridicule and stress my friends and family went through, but I would do it all again, because I GOT PAID and you got PLAYED! Boo Ya!

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  25. Your the same guy aren't you who put that crap us which has proven wrong in the comments here? Thank you for posing that we all know now you are full of shit.
    Joe Capp
    UFO Media Matters
    Non-Commercial Blog

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  26. Jeremy Vaeni has left a new comment on your post "Sherif’s nephew claims Travis Walton Hoax well kno...":

    This is utter nonsense. Travis will be back on Paratopia soon to dispel it. Get ready to have your butts handed to you, liars.

    Publish this comment.

    Reject this comment.

    Moderate comments for this blog.

    Posted by Jeremy Vaeni to UFO Media Matters at August

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  27. I had the pleasure of hearing Travis Walton speak just a week ago tonight, and I found him and the story of his UFO experience totally credible. He didn't make up facts; if someone asked him something he didn't remember, then he said so. That's not the behavior of someone who wants to make up a "fantastic tale" for public consumption. Until someone proves otherwise, I will remain 100% behind his account of those events so many years ago.

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  28. Dear Anonymous,
    I had a friend who went to dinner with him and said he was a down to earth humble person. A far cry from what is described this local resident. Some police are well know for holding on to a theory even though it doesn't make sense anymore. Walton and 6 other guys some who didn't like each other holding on to a hoax for all these years doesn't make sense. I learned over the years the only side that has to make sense is the side supporting the UFO report. The other side can say what they like and they get away with it in the mainstream media and with debunkers.

    Thanks
    Joe
    UFOMM

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  29. Thank you all for your support. I commend you for seeing "sheriff's nephew" is a fake. He isn't the first to try for such attention. Even persons taking a supportive position sometimes claim to be a close school chum, girlfriend or coworker. One supporter claimed to attend the homecoming party after my return -- except that party was movie fiction. Another bragged in the chainsaw shop about knowing me and Mike, unfortunately Mike was standing there, not even recognized.
    Too many lies to refute all here. Main points should be sufficient to see it's all fiction. If "sheriff's nephew" doesn't even know town Marshall Sank Flake was never County Sheriff, how much could be "inside story"? Public record that Marlin Gillespie was Sheriff. Neither my son nor his cousins can figure out who "nephew" was, even after checking yearbook. Ken Peterson said his family never owned any property in Concho, which is 30 mi from Snowflake, not 5. Allen never lived in Concho. Established record that entire crew lived in Snowflake.

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  30. The night of the 1975 incident the crew met with lawmen at a gas station closed for the night. There has never been a Red Robin diner in Heber. The 1st Red Robin opened in 1993 - in PA. "Nephew" changed claim to Red Onion, but that first opened 20 yrs later. I most certainly DID do interviews locally and they did question townspeople and none claimed "nephew's" tale. for every UFO case big debunkers check astronomy charts and local aviation, yet never claimed AF maneuvers. Debunkers scoured this community for bad stories, yet never used "nephew's" tale, supposedly so known here. The contract was Mike's, I was an employee. The "contract motive" theory was discredited by signed affidavit by Forest Service Contracting Officer. Report by examining doctor did not describe "dirty needle marks" on my stomach and eye. He sent my blood & urine samples to medical examiner's drug screen, which showed no trace of any drug. Also, 2 of the 5 or 6 polygraph tests I passed asked about the drug claim. All 6 crew went back that night. Mike's return alone was movie fiction. Actual polygraph questions are public record, not "nephew's" version.
    Although a skeptic, Sank will be furious to learn "nephew" is claiming he knew incident was a hoax. If Sank can figure out who "nephew" really is, he might even join me if I sue for slander.
    In my book I take each debunker charge and cite independently verifiable documents and statements by experts, proving the debunker case is as much a sham as what "county sheriff's nephew" posted.

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  31. I solicited an opinion about the methods used by The Moment of Truth from world renowned polygraph expert Cleve Backster. Backster is still in practice with over 50 years experience and originated procedures adopted as the gold standard throughout the field. He has twice testified before the U.S. Congress and in landmark court cases. He has held high posts in the top polygraph organizations and presided over countless training courses for law enforcement at local, state and federal levels, including Fort Gordon, U.S.Army Counterintelligence Corps, the CIA, the U.S. Dept of Defense Polygraph School, Canadian Police College Polygraph Examiner School, and the the FBI Academy. His school, Baxter Associates said, "Moment of Truth uses a technique that was discarded years ago...a non-validated technique."

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  32. Another top expert gave me his opinion on The Moment of Truth. Dr. David C. Raskin, a former Professor of Psychology at the University of Utah is the author of the most respected textbooks in polygraphy and published many oft-cited papers on lie detection and his refinement of the most widely accepted method in use today. In his 50+ years in the field he has been a court recognized expert in famous trials like the Howard Hughes will, Jeffrey (Fatal Vision) McDonald, serial killer Ted Bundy, the DeLorean affair, and the McMartin preschool case. He has testified before British Parliament, Israeli Kineset, and four times before the Judiciary Committee of the U.S. Senate with regard to cases like Watergate and Iran-Contra. Dr Raskin told me, "...I have always thought those TV programs are a disgrace... Any polygraph examiner who participates in such charades should not be allowed to practice. I have been asked to be the principal in such shows and I have always refused...I agree with the criticisms made by Mr. (Michael) Martin." Martin created the aforementioned THE TRUTH ABOUT THE MOMENT OF TRUTH website, www.polytest.org/momenttruth.html

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  33. Thinking the show would air as scheduled, I lined up experts and national media appearances to refute the show, and took the most rigorous new polygraph tests available. So they cancelled the show, but told me I was still bound by the contract which specified a one million dollar penalty if I revealed anything about the show before it aired. I added to my book the basics about the show in a general way, and detailed the new tests without telling why I sought new tests. Now that it finally aired in South Africa, Portugal and France I am free to reveal their deceiving of TV audiences around the world. It is possible their unethical examiner deceived them about the validity of his methods, but I know they were aware of THE TRUTH ABOUT THE MOMENT OF TRUTH website (www.polytest.org/momenttruth.org

    The most rigorous testing standards available to me were to be found in NM where results are admissible in court and so are tightly regulated by state law. I took two tests from the most respected firm which does testing for New Mexico State Prison, Albuquerque Police Dept and even the United States Marshal's Service. State of the art method and modern 5 trace equipment with digital scoring and readout was used. I passed both new tests flawlessly. More details in the newest edition of my book. But skeptics will try to pretend a deceptive game show's results supercede five properly conducted tests. And the 12 other tests passed by others and all the other evidence.

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  34. In their story it was claimed they all went back together to look for him not mike by himself..my family believes in this story sorry but these type of men wouldn't make up such a silly story. This Nephew was basing things on the movie so obviously he doesn't know the actualy story...

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  35. Hello and I have become friends with Travis Walton over the years, I believe Travis Walton's story. For what reason would he benefit from lying? For money please! I don't see Travis Walton living the "High Life" and rolling in money. I have been to Roswell NM many times and walked through the UFO museum. I go to AREA 51 every other month and hang out by the Black/ White mail box where there have been more UFO Sightings in the World. This stuff is real and I really feel sorry for Travis Walton having to go through the whole abduction ordeal! Robert (Vegas Bob) Swetz

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  36. Dear Robert,
    Thank you so much for your support of Travis. I find him a humble man, rear these days.
    He is a thorn in the sides of the debunkers because of the 6 other people who witnessed the UFO attack. Hard to say they are lying if they pass polygraph tests.
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    Joe
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  37. Everyone keeps going over the same inconsistant crap missquotes misspellings and out of context garbage that's being rehashed over again. Sanford Flake wasn't even the sheriff of Navajo county at that time it was Marlin Gillespie, Flake was the town marshal. I wonder how many people have ever even read Waltons entire book. My opinion of the whole story is undecided-I can't make a judgement on it. There's just not enough conclusive evidence in either direction.
    The first time I heard of this story was January of 1987 when WNYW Fox 5 NY aired the documentary "UFO's are real". I've always been curious about where exactly Travis said he was abducted and where he was returned (they are two different spots).
    The so-called "nephew" is probably somebody that did a lame attempt at research on the net and added a few things that he made up himself.

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  38. Dear Ben,
    Travis does discuss in his presentation about the spot where he was taken. He showed that testing of certain trees near the object had been affected.
    He was not put back in the same spot but he was put back near a phone. Remember there was five days of amnesia when he was abducted.
    Although these articles go over the same stuff there are many who are now interested and do not know the story. These articles also bring out people who have not come forward before. I had a niece of the man who took the last polygraph test comment on what her uncle thought about the results of that test here on this blog. So stories may never end because as mush as we believe many have come forward I am sure there are many who have not.
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    Joe
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  39. I can't understand why Travis even agreed to be on "The Moment of Truth" in the first place. In his book he said he would not concede to something like that and clearly explained why. I think the fact that Snowflake and the surrounding communities are so small adds strength to their story though. In order for it to be a hoax Travis would have had to have been hiding somewhere for 5 days. The places are so small and everyone knows each others business so there's just nowhere to hide.
    He kept making references to the "rim road" I'm assume he was talking about AZ highway 260 west of Heber.

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  40. I don't understand why Travis appeared on "The Moment of Truth" anyway. He said in his book that he wouldn't concede to that and clearly explained why. I think the fact that Snowflake and it's surrounding communities had such small popluation strengthens it though. In order for it to be a hoax he would have to be hiding somewhere for those 5 days. In such small places where everyone knows each others business there's nowhere to hide.
    In his book he kept making references to the "rim road" I assume he was talking about AZ highway 260 west of Heber and that he was returned at the north west entrance of Heber.

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    1. The Rim road is a rough dirt forest road that runs fairly close to the edge of the Mogollon rim. On a Sitgreves forest map it is road #300.

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  41. I know for a fact that I Michael Boland in 1990 I saw in the wooded area directly adjacent to my home in Memphis Tennessee a craft not of this world. It hovered above me for about 10 long minutes I ran inside and called a friend who lived up the street Danny Young, he was hesitant to believe me for only about a second. He could tell in my voice I meant it. He got on his ten speed and rode to the house and of course by the time he arrived it had vanished. While I thought it was over and he thought I was nuts we both heard strange movements and light flares in the wooded area we attempted to walk towards the area then as a cold chill warned us to run the other direction. I know what I saw was real and I will take a lie detector any day and pass it every time!!! This ship had a low hum to it and no lights at all on it. It just looked like a big dark dish over the well bended treeline. Not doubting the substance of Travis Walton's story at all truth or lie!

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  42. I am more inclined not to believe the story by the sheriff's nephew about Travis Walton , and I positively do not believe the same nephew went to high school .

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  49. I find it hard to take something serious when the author of this accusation doesn't even know how to spell correctly. Here's a grand idea, instead of worrying so much about an account you clearly don't agree with, go back to grammar school and retake a few classes. (:

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  50. All UFOs or aliens or what have you are satanic in nature. I still can't believe that so many people think there is life forms visiting us from another world. This is all part of Satans Great Deception to turn people away from Jesus Christ. Many shall be deceived in the last days and it's a dam shame. Stop worrying so much about little green men and worry more about where your soul will spend eternity after your life here on earth. That should be every humans ultimate aspiration.

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    1. so you don't believe in beings for other planets but you do believe in a man in the sky's that watches over everything you do..sad

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    2. you don't believe in little green men, but you do believe in hell, when there is still no one who had gone there and came back to tell it exist, there is no evidence of hell.. But UFO and Aliens had tons of it.. And whats with the "many shall be deceived in the last days" many had said that we are now in the last days, there are no "last days", days will just keep on coming..

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  51. I knew a guy back in 2000 when I was in the army who was married to a girl from snowflake who pretty much told him the same thing.

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  52. And for someone that has lived/grown up in the area (taylor/snowflake) he would know that concho is 6 times farther away from snowflake as he claims... 30 miles... not 5...

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  53. As for me who has met Travis. His character, at least now, indicates to me he believes what he states and if that shakes a few people's world view so be it.
    The Travis I met is humble and caring.

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  54. I was only about 4 months old when the incident was alledged to have taken place and grew up in the 1980's hearing about it about 11 years after it took place. If the story is true I often wonder what would I have done if I was in that situation, especially if I was alone with no friends/co-workers/fellow sawyers. If I saw a yellowish craft like the one depicted on the front cover of the original printing of "The Walton experience" and as featured in the video "UFO's are real" I probably would have froze like a deer caught in headlights. If it began to move towards me I would have tried to speed or run away. There's no way in hell I would have walked up to something like that ...

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  55. One is always uneasy about such stories, especially when the principal character has effectively made a career of it. It is almost too easy to believe it is a hoax. Mr. Walton's book is almost too finely detailed, in a sense too polished, too literate and too literary, to be wholly convincing as non-fiction. And all of the principals involved now have too much at stake to qualify as objective truth-tellers. we should hear more directly from the law enforcement people who were involved, or from other individuals who, early on. were involved in investigating the story and who were persuaded as to its verity -- or at least who found it to be convincing (or unconvincing, for that matter). Mostly whatever we believe is just a matter of personal inclination.

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  56. I think you have forgotten that Travis admitted he had witnessed UFOs before and believed they were friendly. At the time that type of statement was considered "crazy talk" now we know these object were monitoring our military bases. In the famous Trent case, they had had multiple sightings that is why they had the camera ready. I would walk toward the object myself. Since I've been around the UFO community I know of people here who would and have done that.
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  57. Happystrap,
    I think you need to do some reading on Travis. For ten years after the initial incident he wouldn't even grant an interview. It was than he decided to write a book. I don't see a hoaxer in this. They took polygraph test; they passed. Plus, when you meet him you kind a know this is not a hoaxer. I want to know what happened for the large chunk of time he couldn't remember? Last time I heard he refuses to go under hypnotic-therapy.
    Joe Capp
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  58. I haven't read Travis' book yet, but in the movie, the Sheriff had a difficult time believing what all the guys involved told them, and the main investigator just flat out refused to believe it, therefore bringing up all types of possibilities that could have happened instead. (Was that part true, or just added for dramatics in the film?)

    It's easier for some people to believe Travis's story is fiction, mainly because the idea of an alien abduction is too "crazy" for their minds to wrap around. Because of their mindset, of course they would've imagined and talked about all types of scenarios that could have "really" happened. It's so obvious that this debunker has heard the gossip and speculation.

    With a paranormal-type event, it's safer for people to believe that Travis is telling tales because otherwise, they would have to admit we have visitors, and that, scares them mindless.

    People seem more apt to believe the negative, rather than believe the facts that point to the truth. Other than those who's psyche can't handle the possibility of E.B.E. visiting Earth, I think it's a reflection of what they know their own selves are capable of doing, and in their narrow-mindedness, imagine that everyone else has the same morals and conscience as they do. They are so wrong. ;-) Just my Long-Winded 2Cents.

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  59. did travis ,have any sort of medical ,to prove what they done to him ,what about is clothes surly they could find some sort of dna

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  60. I don't believe people with bad spelling. Lmao.

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  61. I find it hard to believe an article filled with bad spelling and lousy English. Also, according to the book, he was abducted on the road that goes past Legacy lodge (not there at that time) and just across the Rim road, not down in Young.
    I have read a lot about this because I live so close, (Overgaard)

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  62. Let me start by saying that I find most UFO fanatics to be just that, fanatics. They will believe most anything because they WANT to believe it. That being said, I have personally seen a UFO, as a teen, fairly up close, hovering at tree-top level, but I have still always had a hard time with the idea of aliens visiting us from another planet. However, I must admit that I have always found the Walton story to be quite interesting reguardless of how far-fetched I find the whole idea in general. I must add that some of his more recent comments about him being taken because they accidentally harmed him by far the most reasonable explanation, as once again, for the most part, I just don't buy into alien abduction stories in general....

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  63. Walton took another lie detector test in 1993 and passed. So that is at least 8 passed tests between 6 people. Also, each of the witnesses continue to have trama due to the experience. The problem here is the miopic organized religion followers that can't see a forest beyond a tree.

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  64. it amazes me that it took the sherrif's family member so long to respond.... why not him. no evidence was ever found that they lied and as for the government and air force involvement well that speaks for itself... area 51- anyone-oh that's right they never lie or cover any thing up- NEVER!!!!! we're not freaks and unless u were there you only have an opinion and nothing else. it doesn't add up to a hoax by any means... the ridicule and stupid personal attacks like these strengthen the case... what did they gain- really? censure, ridicule and disbelief? wow! sign me up and a side order of family discord, too wonderful!!!
    i hope the sheriff and that deputy get taken next... maybe that'll be enough to give them proof... as for this version of events... its too ridiculous... how did the sheriff not uncover all this back then- lack of skill?sounds to me like they were drinking- hows it feel to not be believed?

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  65. I don't know if you watch Paranormal Witness but they went back to the Travis Walton case and interviewed the main players. You need to watch that episode. If any of you out there believe TW hoaxed it you are mistaken. Even the Sheriff now can't explain what happened and doesn't believe the hoax theory anymore. This was just on TV it was shocking to see what really happened to him how he still breaks down and cries when he concentrates on his memory of being on the ship.
    After seeing that I know anyone who call TW a hoaxer is just full of BS. Something extraordinary happened to the whole group and I can't explain any way other than way than..I am going to say it...so all you Alien Phobics cover your eyes Don't look....Little green men from another Planet.
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  66. You say your uncle was deputy sherrif at the time but records say he was town Marshall and wasn't brought in til after Walton was back. Also says your uncle didn't like the Walton's either. If Travis Walton was hiding getting high the. 5 days why didn't blood work show drugs in his system? I believe the Dallas you speak of is Allen Dalis wouldn't you know how to spell his name if you knew the facts about this. Things in your story don't add up but those seven men tell the same story they told on that night.

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  67. Can't even consider believing a word you say since you can't even spell. My god it was like reading something a 4th grader would write. Why don't you spend less time trying to convince people of something that you clearly have no background or education of and worry about your own life. If it did happen then so be it, if it didn't why does it concern you so much. What's done is done. I for one believe it. If we are the only 'intelligent' people in the universe god help us because we can't even spell!! Yikes.

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    1. Exactly!! This imbecile is just trying to get his 5 minutes of fame. I don't know how a supposed high school graduate could spell worse than my twelve year old.

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  68. I too saw Paranormal Witness. None of the men to me seemed like they were lying. Cool show.

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    1. Same here---I vaguely remember hearing about this but was only 15 at the time. Paranormal Witness just came on and I was so excited! I watched these guys--no they were not lying!! freaky I now live I in Kingman.

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  69. Okay, the real dishonesty here is that this Sheriff's Nephew is purporting to have been school educated!
    I am fairly forgiving of some typos, but this person is... stupid. I would say mentally handicapped, but I have worked with the mentally handicapped, and they exhibit more intelligence.

    Go back to school and stop embarrassing yourself and other English speaking people!

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  70. All I've got to say is I believe. People need to open and expand their minds. In this vast and huge universe, what makes anyone think we're alone? I too watched Mr. Walton's story on Paranormal Witness and seen the movie 'Fire In The Sky'. And I stand behind him and the other gentlemen in their accounts of the events that took place on that night in November, 1975. As for 'Sheriff's Nephew'...go back to school. Your whole story has too many discrepancies and unsupported claims.

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    1. OMG ..please at the very least use spell check....you look like a moron..And I am a believer,with or without your help...lol

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  71. Don't believe CliftonOctober 11, 2012 at 4:46 PM

    This story was on Paranormal Witness and it had the Sheriff at that time plus the Lie Detector guy who both say these guys came off telling the truth. Your uncle the sheriff didn't say anything about the Air Force and their testing. Please explain that

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  72. All I want to say is that, I dont know if Travis walton is lieing or not... i guess the only people that can honestly say he is not lieing is him. But i think about the topic of aliens quite frequently and why couldnt they come to earth to abduct somebody. Expand your mind a little bit, it could happen...

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  73. And another thing, i saw this show paranormal witness about waltons encounter my point is, none of those men on that show seemed like they where lying. They were very sincere and honest, one man on that show showed real emotion and they all stood behind that story and appeared to get shaken up even talking about it... Now, i am the biggest skeptic ever about this and i really dont want to believe this but i dont know. Anyway as I was saying, I dont know about you but when something really scares me and I get shaken up, I DONT WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, You could be offering me one billion dollars, I wouldnt talk...

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  74. Well I for one totally believe Travis and I think the Americsn/British governments have known for many years that we are visited by extra terrestrials. Very very scary what happened to Travis.

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  75. Believe what you want, but were you there? BTW, I'm speaking to the author. I love how folks are so quick to judge others who have had or thought they've had experiences beyond they're comprehension. Can this kid disprove these events? Does he have the evidence? The answer is no. Was travis abducted? Who can say for sure? Either they have fooled the world with a story that has yet to be debunked, or they experienced something that would change every aspect of our lives. The world would never be the same. Yet there's people like this kid. Who is trying to blast these guys on the net and can't even put a sentence together. If you are adamant about not believing what happened, fine. Why not provide an educated non-biased account of objective facts. How do you know anyone "passed out from drinking after work"? Subjective statements with no real merit will not help your cause. Your description of Travis and his co-workers is exactly how I picture you. A lying thieving drunk who just wants attention. The previous postings seem to verify what I'm saying. That's what you could call an objective fact kid.

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  78. There are even people that swear on there on mothers lives that bigfoot is real but it Aint.
    They write well and are convincing, What kind of education did Travis have? Or is he like his debunker, a bit stupid and cant spell so must be an idiot who makes up stories..
    Thats all ufo freaks

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    1. I have no problem some one thinking it is all crap. But if anyone wants to debate it's all crap they have to explain how the seven "UFO Freaks" could have beaten multiple polygraph test. They have to explain the evidence which surfaced by way of the Freedon of Information Act released documents that the US Air force had been tracking "Unknowns" all during that time in the same area by radar. I'm sorry for people who call names but do not look at facts. People who live by knowing instead of learning find it almost impossible to change...even when they are wrong.
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  79. The author of this blog is WORTHLESS. I love the fact that he lives in bondage...mentally. Enjoy.

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  80. I for one am very open minded as I don't and won't ever believe that we are the only living people or creatures in this huge universe that we live in. Whether this man was abducted no one will ever know but him! Onlyhe will die with the truth inside, maybe it is lies but then maybe something did happen. The fact he claimed there were other people in that 'ship' but that there eyes were different then surely they were also ' missing' I thought by now he would have identified what these people looked like and who they were!!

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  81. I'm not saying I fully believe what happened that night and I'm not saying it wasn't true as only Travis and his work colleagues will ever know what truly happened. But for some punk kid who went to school with his son Clifton and possibly related to the sheriff that was involved in the case to right a version of what he believes on Google is pathetic as how would you Joseph capp truly know? Was you present that night? Was you born? I believe what Joseph has written is Proberly the views of the actual sheriff. Either that or he was one of these jealous kids in school and daint like the attention Clifton was getting. Unless you have solid proof Joseph you should not comment on situations touch wernt involved in. Idiot.

    From Carl Edwards ( UK)

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  82. Crazy, I actually read the entire account written by the "sherrif's nephew". Apparently, the Snowflake school system sucks. I thought a 3rd grader wrote it. It's hard to take someone so uneducated seriously.

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  83. I included it exactly the way it was given to me. I admit i am far from being fluent in this area but at least I get some words right.
    Joe Capp
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  84. Travis Walton speech and demeanor rings genuine... This story by the "Sheriff's Nephew" reeks of hear-say bullshit

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  85. i have always said that travis walton was full of crap. if you keep perpetuating what you want to believe as a true story, sooner or later, after enough talking, you will get people to actually believe that your story is true. he hasn't one shred of evidence to prove anything. he would never win a court case on this.

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    1. Did it ever occur to you that it's no accident that these beings don't go around leaving physical evidence, ever? The enigma will be solved if a single, solid piece of evidence IS ever left behind.

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  86. Dear Anonymous,
    I think your right. But not for the reason you think. As far as evidence you're wrong. But you know that, otherwise you would have pointed out exactly where the evidence presented was wrong. You didn't because making pronouncements is a lazy persons answer. I read them all over You Tube. They and you are a joke we laugh at all the time in the UFO community.
    Thanks for making my day.
    Joe Capp
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  87. There's no way to prove it didn't happen. Skeptics are the same type of people who believe everything that's in a government issued school text book and cannot think outside the box. FACT: between archaeologist and historians new physical evidence has emerged that proves Europeans have been to North America pre-viking times and after. Arm chair skeptics cannot accept this fact because it is not covered in government issued text books or are too bone headed to be capable of thinking outside the box. They consider themselves intellectuals and too smart to believe in anything outside the norm they are used to. More or less they are FTARDs because they are not as smart as they think they are.
    Point is, things exist that humans cannot explain nor can the human brain comprehend all there is in the universe let alone on our own planet, FACT.

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  88. You are wise beyond your years.

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  89. I new alot of people from, bac then, two?

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  90. Sherrif’s nephew claims Travis Walton Hoax well known..... but you still cant prove it, just like Travis Walton cant prove he was abducted. You only have other peoples words and Travis just has his own.

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  91. Dear Anonymous,
    Of course you are right. but that is the nature of the UFO phenomenon today. Travis is a case that has not been proven or debunked for that matter. I am not a scientist nor do I claim to be one. Travis has never been debunked as a hoax. One thing pretty well proven is that all saw an object hovering in a clearing on the way home from work and Travis seemed to go missing for 5 days.
    In the years that have followed Travis and the grew saw something that they have not been able to explain nor has anyone else.
    Joe Capp
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  92. I have never believed his story, although, if I did, I'd be terrified. As a child, I was terrified. But let's be real for a moment. How many 'abductions' have ever taken place? Millions...and millions of people. All over the world!!! And yet, we get less than a handful of stories. That alone makes me incredibly skeptical as to the truth of 'abductions'. Secondly, how hard is it to make up a story? People here put all their faith in a story. I could make up a story like that if I wanted. Really, its not that difficult. I could manipulate facts in such a way as to pass a lie detector test. I will never understand people...

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  93. I still believe it happened as they say it did and especially because this particular blog is so poorly written it is the unbelievable one.

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  94. I am not an American, and certainly was still not born during the Walton incident, I only watched the film "Fire in the Sky", and read a few articles about the experience of Travis Walton,but I do believe the Travis was telling the truth, and this silly illiterate debunk-er who posted his statement in the internet has not made any point at all, he just based all of it on hearsay.. maybe he was paid to do it, but but on a low price because he had done it in a very uneducated way...

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  95. I couldn't read all of this rant, because it is written so poorly. The word "are" is not a substitute for the word "our." I hope you will take some adult education English classes to at least learn how to use your native language.

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  96. what a load of crap. he was high on mj n just wanted fame

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  97. Dear Anonymous the rant you read was sent to me by a local from Travis's county. I felt I shouldn't edit it and let it stand.
    Joe
    UFOMM

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  98. Dear Chrissy,
    written by a person who knows noting about pot. U better check the stuff your smoking if you are seeing UFOs and little green men.

    Joe
    UFOMM

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  99. then how come he gave such a vivid account of what happened in the UFO i dont think you could make that shit up why would you go to all that trouble if its a lie in the movie dallas and travis hated eachother even in real life they did i belive him he for sure went somewhere for 5 days and i doubt it was at dallas house

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  100. You shouldn't discount this blogger's commentary merely because it is poorly written. Confusing "there" for "their", "are" for "our", poor sentence/paragraph structure, and so forth, is not an indication of stupidity or lack of quality education. In reality, it is what could be considered a type of learning disorder, similar (in some sense) to dyslexia.

    I know this because I am similarly afflicted, yet I possess formidable powers of concentration and am highly educated.

    With that said, the content of the blogger’s commentary is not sufficiently internally consistent to be considered credible.

    Jose

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    1. The least that we can expect from ourselves and other citizens of the United States is good grammar. You say that you are highly educated; in other words you can sit in a classroom and repeat back what you are told.

      Don't fool yourself into thinking that you can still be smart while acting stupid. How is that working for you?

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  101. The whole story is nothing but fraud from the beginning to the end. What do Rogers and his co-workers do when they say Walton being zapped by the beam of light from the UFO? If anyone was there when it happened the first reaction would have been spontaneous - to save his life. Their fear would have evaporated and overshadowed by the instinct of trying to save the live of their fellow co-worker. Rogers and his crew would have gone to Walton's rescue since they thought he could have been struck a fatal blow. But what did they do? According to their story, they drove away in fear. That reaction was a concoction because they forgot to factor in human instinct in their fraudulent story.

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  102. Jesse thank you for wining the prize of the dumbest answer ever given.
    Joe Capp
    UFOMM

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  103. This "Clifton" is uneducated and therefore rides only on getting attention through the relationship to his uncle. Clearly full of shit.

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  104. Anyone who starts their first sentence calling people "freaks" is an angry hater, and not very credible. Also, I'd like to tell the "debunker" that the paragraph is his friend ;')

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  105. I dont know much about the case, but in my mind this article lost its credibility when its main evidence was testimonials from nieces and nephews of people involved in something 30 yrs ago. Might as well let barbershops be the jury and save us all from having to serve jury duty. ;)

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  106. It’s been said there are more stars than grains on sand in the Universe. To Justify and accept WE are the only living being in this Vastly Universe is completely Ignorant. I read the Travis Walton story, and watched Countless of interviews and his story never changes. This event changes his life forever as he said in his book he would‘ve stayed in them truck… Our Galaxy Milky Way is ONLY 13 Billion years old and the Universe is said to be about 46 Billion we are ALL like Children, Babies. Which is WHY the Government tells us NOTHING because WE can’t accept other intelligence just yet……..

    Disclosure will eventually come.

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  107. "So in other wards grow the fuck up, grow some balls and stop being a sheep!"

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  108. I could tell this was fake from all of the spelling mistakes. Was obvious they were deliberate

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  109. martinlwilliams@hotmail.comNovember 19, 2013 at 3:18 PM

    You Obvious have an ax to grind. Yes Travis has a incredable story. However l have had several conversations with him and find him much more credable than you. Who the heck ARE YOU!..YOU WERE NOT THERE! ALL YOU HAVE IS HERESAY! You are one of those people who have picked over the story, know a few people who were not there. You qioted the biggest prfessional closed minded well PROVEN GOVERNMENT HATE FILLED LACKIE IN HISTORY. PHIL CLASS.HE HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE A BOLD FACED LIER. WHO WHEN PROVEN TO LIE...HAS "NO COMMENT" FACT...SO WHAT IS YOUR CLAIM TO FAME (OTHER THAN YOUR OBSCURE CONNECTION TO TRAVIS?) TELL US ABOUT YOUR GREATNESS) TELL US HOW IMPORTANT YOU ARE?.MLW

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  110. The original YouTube comment notwithstanding, the spelling in this entire thread is absolutely fucking horrific.

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  111. Anyone who thinks this was a hoax Must have their head examined.

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  112. Imagine my surprise to read the words of some guy claiming to be Sank Flake's great nephew as I am actually Sank's great niece. Our family is HUGE, so it is reasonable to believe at first glance that I might be reading something a random cousin wrote. However, it didn't take very long to realize this guy has never even been to Snowflake. This fictional diner he mentions is downright comical to me. Every summer my siblings and I were forced to leave the comforts of our Phx metro home to stay in Snowflake with my cousins. Our biggest complaint was that there was nothing to do and no place to hang out. There was exactly one cafe and it was technically in Taylor. It was more of a hang out for our grandparents. They served pie and closed early. It was called Trappers. Someone from Snowflake would not get the name wrong, especially since it was the only game in town.
    I can also debunk, using simple common sense, the claims that there was air force training going on. My father was an air force officer. The reason my family lived in the valley was to be close to Luke and Williams Air Force Bases. I used to get sick travelling to Snowflake because it was soooo long and the roads were up an down and up and down through the mountains. But then at the end it was a beautiful, tall forest that smells like Christmas. There are many directions one can travel from the starting point of Phoenix. Almost all of these directions would very quickly lead to desert land and open sky. Why would the air force choose the one place in AZ known for it's mountains and forest to perform test maneuvers? This guy claiming to be my cousin most likely has never even been to Arizona. Most importantly, I have to add that Uncle Sank is one of the most dignified men I've ever known. I never heard him discuss any law enforcement business, much less this particular case. He would be furious when he heard anyone gossiping. I can't imagine him going around telling everyone Mr. Walton was on drugs.
    I know I am not your typical contributor here as I have absolutely no knowledge of anything UFO related. I only remembered Travis Walton's story when I saw him on The Kardashians and realized it is the perfect subject for my son's research paper. I may not know about UFOs, but I can offer some insight into social theory:
    Snowflake is a tiny town. They only recently got a Taco Bell, which if you were to ask anyone living there, is the most exciting thing to ever happen there. I'm sure that in 1975, the Walton family was all any of them talked about. But in the last 30 years, I only heard talk of the incident when the film came out. I was in my early teens and couldn't believe anyone would make a film set in the most boring place on earth. I still haven't actually seen the film because the trailer looks really scary and I try to avoid anything that gives me nightmares. I asked my dad about it and he said he wasn't living there at the time, but he heard a little about it. Later, I listened intently as he was chatting with my uncle during a visit to Snowflake and all I gathered from the conversation is that some people say he was on drugs, but my uncle thought he was a good kid and wouldn't do that. I know that seems like nothing, but it closes the subject for me. These people don't place a label on someone haphazardly. The simple fact that the incident is rarely mentioned among my family and only in terms of possibility (not a definite yes or no it did or didn't happen) tells me that there was no deliberate hoax. If Mr. Walton was known to be dishonest or a drug addict, that would be the topic of discussion 100% of the time and it would be discussed a lot more than the Taco Bell. I suspect that, like me, they aren't sure and they are scared to find out.

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  113. Police piece witnesses' stories together to study their changes. This determines deception. Since everyone passed their polygraph I'd say this story was a mistaken COMET. Comets are different from asteroids/meteors. Read the witnesses' statements: the sky was on fire, beam of light, etc. These guys ran into a comet. When Travis explored the fire he was hit by a gust of of ice followed by the initial impact. The driver panicked and took off. Well, by the time he came back the comet was long extinguished. He lost the exact location and Travis was unconscious, in a coma for days. As he revives, he would hallucinate anything from aliens...anything. What else could it be. Comets are very commonly reported in the White Mountains of Arizona.

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  114. i couldn't even finish reading this so called report. the numerous misspellings and grammar errors told me this individual was doing something else in class other than paying attention..

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  115. I know Travis, Mike and Allen...for someone to write some garbage like this has no soul

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  116. Wow what 50's drug did this swallow. Ignorance is bliss at its very worst. I'm sorry put too much time and effort into this one. Have had a enough "weird" things happen to myself to know that this clown feels as though he has been left our of the loop of fame and and is trying to get his 15 minutes just by writing the exhaustive pile of bullshit. Malign someone else,I have read all reports available. Leave the guy alone. And the courageousvmen that stood up. And hold their positions to this day.

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  117. That letter has totally been discredited by me. I cannot believe anything written by someone who is not Intelligent enough to speak or write in proper English. You can't even understand what they're saying because they don't know how to write a letter.

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  118. First and foremost,
    How many of you really think that we're the only intelligent life in the entire SOLAR SYSTEM?
    Do you realize that given infinite space that's highly unlikely.
    If you folks would only put fourth the same amount of effort in seeking the truth as you do in trying to discredit a man whom you don't even know.
    Well then that would certainly be a step up for humanity.
    Before you call someone a liar,
    first look in the mirror and decide if you're not pointing your anger in the wrong direction.

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  119. So based on most of the comments herein, am I to understand that if Travis Walton had written and published his book without a ghost writer and editor, and read as though it were written by a third grader, it should automatically be discredited? Since when does lack of proper grammar constitute lack of integrity? If that is the case, many of you have excluded yourselves for the same reason, which to me, is pretty assenine - when you consider that ALL text and word programs contain a useful little feature called, SPELLCHECK!!!
    In any case, grammar notwithstanding, the author provides nothing to validate his claims and provides no verifiable citations that would compel anyone to take him seriously.

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  122. That was a difficult read. Was that one sentence?
    One question: Where was that helicopter pilot who chased them? You'd think with all the cover up going on by the government, that guy would have showed up already from the beginning.

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  123. All of the grammar errors on here are horrible. How can anyone justify their speculation when one is clearly lackin a certain level of education. I am not here to poke fun, just observing the obvious..the way one presents themselves and the way they speak gives credibility to the potential that they /might/ know what they are saying.

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