If You Knew UFO Were Real

If You Knew UFOs were real
By Joseph Capp
hit the ground running

The Matter of NASA Photo Technician Donna Tietze
…well, I let her resume speak for itself…

Formerly of NASA, photographic slide technician, the recipient of numerous space awards including 1969 Apollo Achievement award from the National Aeronautics & Space Administration, 1973 Skylab award, a medallion for success on the Skylab-Suez Test project… And much more
http://www.ufoarea.com/nasa_airbrush.html

Ms. Tietze includes in her statement to the Disclosure Project that she:
-Was shown by a friend at NASA lab a photo of a UFO --its shadow and that of a “pine trees” and that they airbrushed the UFOs out before selling them to the public.

-Was told by another employee she dated that “NASA astronauts were warned not to speak of UFOs.

-Were told that astronauts had been followed to the moon and had photographed [non-American, perhaps non-human founded] moon bases.

This is transcribed from the original recording, as clearly as they could get:
http://www.ufoarea.com/nasa_airbrush.html
http://www.disclosureproject.org/

James Oberg, a science writer, is convinced Donna Tietze’s story about what she saw is impossible. Oberg raises objections to Donna Tietze’s data.

Oberg believes she couldn’t have witnessed the photo she claimed because: “From what I know of NASA space photography, I believe it was impossible then or now for NASA to produce Earth surface images with sufficient detail to show a tree and its shadow. A vigorous search by several UFO buffs recently for such pictures in NASA's archives (the photo was described as being prepared for public sale) failed to locate any. Oberg proves and has support from Veteran NASA earth photography specialist Paul Lowman that lanstat satellite couldn’t take photos with that detail and even last Skylab couldn’t produce below probably 30 meters. (See Note)
Then Lowman says --and here’s where the case get’s interesting--“Ms. Hare then retorted that of course NASA had such pictures: ‘We not only had the technology to see a number on a golf ball back then, we used it in the Bay of Pigs -- remember? -- to see Cuban/Russian missiles aimed at our country.’" (March 25, 1999) Aside from a confusion of the Bay of Pigs with the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the use at that time of U-2 spy planes, not satellites, the additional confusion of what super-secret military spy satellites could see and what NASA was interested in and had in its possession, gives me additional confidence that my disbelief in this story is logical.
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/may/m24-003.shtml

Let me start off this by emphasizing that I am not a scientist. I thank the powers that be in this instance you don’t have to be. Just using common sense seems to suffice. I find it incredulous to believe either Oberg or Lowman could know all the secrets regarding satellites or Skylab. In fact they admit they don’t We find millions of documents still classified from the sixties.

Did Oberg or Lowman know they took pictures of Area 51 aboard Skylab before it was reveled? They agreed not to photograph Area 51. Not even the CIA knew it. There was a deal struck between the CIA and NASA. NASA agreed to run all the pictures they took of land through the CIA first. We don’t know all details of the deal.. Could NASA have been part of the sanitation process on U2 pictures? Did some of these close up images wind up on major contractor’s walls as a type of insider prize?

Oberg may say that is ridiculous. For me the missing Apollo tapes is more unbelievable then the industrial complex getting special treatment. It would look great in the seventies to have U2 close ups above your desk. Impressive.
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/531/1
Donna Tietze was in a restricted lab at NASA that did all kinds of work with photos; one section prepared photos for public sale. Remember this was only one part of what they did. “They did everything over there”. Let’s first listen to what Donna Tietze said:
“And while I was in there I was trying to learn new methods and new things about the whole organization and I was looking at the pictures and he directed my attention to one area, he said, "Look at that!" I looked and there was a round oval shaped, well it was very white circular shape of a dot and I, it was black & white photography, so I asked him if that was a spot on the emulsion and he said, ‘well I can't tell you but spots on the emulsion do not leave round circles of shadows’.” Next Donna looks closer: “I believe they were satellite pictures but I’m not sure.” She seems to expect a certain resolution, herself: “‘you know, pretty close to the ground what I saw but I didn't see an outline of the continent.” Donna Tietz expected to see the same thing Oberg would expect to see: the edge of a continent. Then she sees what he’s talking about: “Right, a round shadow! And I notice that there were pine trees, now I don't know where this area was or what, you know, pretty close to the ground what I saw but I didn't see outline of the continent. But I did notice that there was a shadow under this white dot and I also noticed that the trees were casting the shadow in the same direction as this shadow of the circle of this aerial phenomena because it was higher than the trees but not too much higher than the trees but it was close to the ground and it was spherical but slightly elongated, not very much but slightly. I then said, is it a UFO? And he said, ‘Well, I can't tell you’.” What he tells her next is heresay on his part, but because of what he shows her, she starts to believe it’s possible and pursues it. Oberg is right that they never found the photos (interesting he quotes UFO Buffs as the source). We are still left with the statement about the origins of the photo: “I don’t know.” I hope Oberg feels someday how it is to see something in great detail that shouldn’t be real. It tends to shake you. At this point, I take Donna Tietze’s word over James Oberg’s, or NASA’s and the CIA’s. But more about UFO photos. Donna goes on: “I also met a security guard that was forced to burn a lot of UFO pictures…I used to work out there. And one day some soldiers came in fatigues and had me burn pictures. He said that he was burning them and he was forced not to look at them. But he was tempted. He looked at one of them and it was a UFO on the ground.”
Possible answer to the missing photos? I want to know where the hell are those Apollo Tapes? Maybe we’re looking in the wrong place. Oberg tries to tarnish Donna Tietze’s credibility by citing her affiliation with “UFO Contact Center International” 1981. (UFOCCI), a non-profit organization set up in the early1980s to help those traumatized by UFO experiences through counseling and group support. These group included people who believed they were abducted by entities. Another primary objective was to help educate the public regarding the reality of UFOs.
Some of the group attendees were tested by “National Institute Of Discovery Science”(NIDS) to see if they were within the psychological normal range as compare to other goups. NIDS prepared questionnaires. Some of the attendees refused the remainder was tested. 35 took the test they fell into the normal range. By way of mudslinging, Oberg also mentions Tietze’s 1999 conference presentation about an experience she had in early childhood and possible abduction. NIDS site hard to read:http://www.nidsci.org/articles/abductees.php To best address this aspect of Donna Tietze’s testimony, I suggest the reader consider exercising a little extra understanding. Again and again in this UFO field, we’re finding that once you open the lid to this reality, the need to find meaning in it becomes a top priority. This to me is natural and a healthy reaction. I don’t know if Donna Tietze was abducted or somehow came to believe she was abducted. Oberg agrees she believed in what she says. Believing you have the answer that aliens exist can only be topped by believing you have found the meaning to life. Donna Tietze’s experiences later in her life, does not for me diminish one iota of my belief in her testimony. Her experiences at work in the NASA photo labs, and what colleagues, said to her. I believe her statements deserve serious consideration. If there is anyone out there who knows for sure, now is a good time to come forward. Our country is in shambles because there are just too many secrets. It takes a major disaster before the top become exposed. This disaster could end humanity.

Note: Did anyone ever wonder if Donna made a mistake regarding the type of trees (Pine)? We have some pretty tall trees in America. Big enough for, say, Skylab.

Take a look at just some of the witnesses. I guess it’s all a big “conspiracy.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/ufocover-up10pg
Part Two “IS NASA Still Touching up Photos?

UFO CURSE

“UFO CURSE”

Killing the Messengers
By Joseph Capp

“Tribute To The Bravery OF The O’Hare Witnesses”

Can you imagine what it takes to do what the O’Hare witnesses have done? Twelve employees, who worked for the airlines, and came forward to tell of witnessing a UFO over the O’Hare airport. History has shown what can happen when commercial pilots and other professionals come forward with UFO information. Bravo to all of you for standing up to tell what you believe is the truth --no matter what! America was built by people of good character like youself.

What Will the Skeptics Do with This?
By the time the debunkers get through with their explanations, using the theory of weather or whatever, and applying a could-have-been scenario to the O’Hare incident, the scientific community will, as always, fall quietly back to sleep. They will indicate the witness are in some way dishonest. They may not say it but it will be implied.

The scientific community’s attitude toward UFO witnesses reminds me of the guy in the bank commercial: the customer looks very tiny on the bank president’s desk, he wants a small business loan. He catches on fire – meanwhile, Bank President’s asking a manager what does this mean?...who is this guy?...and why does he catch on fire like that? Bank President laughs at the audacity of this "Small Business" Guy for trying to play in the big business arena.

The good witnesses at O’Hare came forward in a big arena just looking for the truth. When I see people who have a lot to lose come forward, I once again have faith in the human race. If the skeptics (so-called) address these witnesses at all, it will be with the same attitude as the bank president: your opinion is too small to matter.


But what these witnesses did could be a sign of our times in America, a good sign. For decades, we have been told to go to sleep --on the UFO issue, the Iraq War, and other issues. Many of these good witnesses believe in our government, in the dignity of the institution. But they’ve found out what many in the UFO field have known for decades: the government and many agencies will never acknowledge these crucial issues --or the true data-- publicly.

I have a feeling most of the American people are getting tired of the We Know More Than You Do attitude of institutions and debunkers who will not look at the facts. And I think Americans are tired of a government that just doesn’t seem to bother with facts anymore.

But maybe something new is happening out there: maybe we’ve come to a crossroads where the powers that be continue to ignore the people, expecting them to go away…but this time, the people don’t go away.

Maybe, instead of sitting on the sidelines while skeptics and government agencies cast disdain on the witnesses and the whistleblowers, we should realize that these good people are not the problem. We need to start defending these witnesses as a statement to the skeptics. Unless we stop allowing these, “defenders of the faith” with their cook up witch trials directed against the UFO witnesses of great character, we many find the true messenger is dead, and all we have left are the frauds.
JC

A little baloney with your swiss? by jc

Human nature never ceases to amaze me.

The person who recieved and investagated this story was Peter Davenport, well repected in the UFO field. He can defend himself better then I. His site "National UFO Reporting Center"is for reporting UFOs:
http://www.ufocenter.com/

I want to thank "The Anomalist "for listing my blog . Excellent site for the latest information on various phenomonon topics:
http://www.anomalist.com/

This is "UFO Media Matters" reply to the numbered questions poised by the writer of “The O’Hare “Swiss Cheese”UFO Sighting"
http://xzonenation.blogspot.com/2007/01/ohare-swiss-cheese-ufo-sighting.html

[X zone
1. FAA reports no unknown traffic on radar.]

[UFOMM]
Yea they do miss things sometimes.

[X zone
2.The only people in who witnessed this event were the 12 United Airlines employees;]

[UFOMM]
Even in goups UFO witnesses can be intimidated. I wonder why?

[X zone]
3. No one else in this very busy airport witnessed this event.]

[UFOMM]
How in the hell could you know that?

[Xzone
4.United Airlines claim that they have no reports on this incident.]

[UFOMM]
We can take solace in the fact that the airlines always tell the truth.

[Xzone
5. No private pilots reported the sighting over O’Hare or in O’Hare airspace.]

[UFOMM]
Well, if you were flying in, they would have to be able to see through the cloud cover.

[Xzone]
[ 6. No photographs or amateur video have surfaced of this alleged object which remained in the skies over the 2nd busiest airport in the US for 2 - 18 minutes when people at airports always have cameras and the majority of cell phones have built-in cameras.]

[UFOMM]
You can’t use security on one side and not on the other. At Kennedy I was told to put a camera away “immediately” --or they would take it.

[Xzone]
[7. No other aircraft crew or passengers aboard any other flight on the tarmac, taking off, landing or on approach to O’Hare, reported seeing this object;]

[UFOMM]
True; So 12 is not enough?

[Xzone]
8. O’Hare is surrounded by busy airport access routes and no other reports were made from the ground about this object.

[UFOMM]
People just love coming forward about this, after years of smirks and jokes in the media. Pilots just love having their careers destroyed. A Japanese pilot was grounded for simply reporting a UFO. This is on record. If nothing else it is understandable.

[Xzone]
9. The USAF did not scramble interceptors to investigate this unknown craft, which, in a post 9-11 world, does not make any sense.

[UFOMM]
It wouldn’t be the first time: not only were two commercial airliners followed by UFOs, they were sighted visually, and on three radar scopes. The case is well documented and the communication tapes between the pilot and the tower were made available. It went on for a specific period of time and the pilots were nervous. The Tower also had the objects. The Tower notified the local military airbase; still, no jets were scrambled. History Channels' [Black
Box UFOs]

[Xzone]
[10. No reports made to Homeland Security could be found.]

[UFOMM}
Try the "NoFly List?

[Xzone]
11. No reports to Chicago Police could be found.

[UFOMM}
Yeah, and in a similarly unrelated factoid, the price of eggs is over $2.50 this week.

[Xzone]
12. Canadian air traffic controllers did not report any unusual traffic.]

[UFOMM}
Funny, there were 20 stealth jets flying all around that airspace --just kidding. Seriously, repeat after me: if we have it, they could have it to.

[Xzone]
13. I would like to know if there are security cameras at the airport that would have [images of, sic] the area where the sighting was supposed to have taken place to view what the employees were doing at the time of the event --to see their reactions or to see if they just continued working as usual.

[UFOMM]
I think you have a really good idea. One for you.! Why don’t you sue under the Freedom of Information Act, like dozens upon dozens of UFO researchers regularly do? Oh by the way: to be fair, spend your own change as many of them do.
Joseph Capp

Do Hoaxers See UFOs?

Do Hoaxers See UFOs
By Joseph Capp
“no fancy stuff just me”


UFO Media Matters deals with the witnesses who have experienced UFOs and related phenomenon. Many in the UFO community hate what hoaxers do. I agree they cloud the issues and even have hampered any real scientific approach. One of the most despised groups, of course, is the “Crop Circle Makers”. These people go out in the field and design very elaborate and well formed “Crop Circles”. Some of their beautiful endeavors have even fooled the investigators.
If you went to some of these CCM (crop circle makers) and asked them, “what do you think of UFOs or other intelligence behind some of these crop circles) you may get a surprising answer. If you go to ask the skeptics about Crop Circles, they will inform you that all crop circles are made by people. Many of them will go on to say that “saucer nest” landings by UFOs (vegetation swirled in a circle) in the 1950’s, 60’s and up to today are also made by hoaxers. But, in the case of some of these "Crop Circle Hoaxers" it was just the opposite. They stared hoaxing because they heard about the UFO nest penomonon landings and thought they could duplicate them.
"One summers evening in 1978 after several pints in the Percy Hobbs Doug Bower and Dave Chorley were taking the air on a bridle path on the Longwood Estate, near Cheesefoot Head. They were talking about UFOs. Bower (who used to live in Melbourne, Australia) recalled a case in Queensland, where a UFO had reportedly ascended from a swirled nest of marsh-grass. 'What do you think would happen if we put a nest over there?' Bower joked to Chorley, pointing to a nearby wheatfield. 'People would think a flying saucer had landed." Jim Schnabel - Round in Circles”

The swirled vegetation the hoaxers are discussing during their beer haze is part of the thousands of thoroughly investigated “UFO Trace Cases”. To this day the lab results contain unexplained anomalies. The witnesses, either in groups, or as individuals, called the police in panic. They were very shaken by the incidents. In many cases police were at the landing site within hours. The detail was astounding. In one case the whole family came out to look, not at a UFO, but at a metal cone that was blown to their field by the storm. The farmer decided to take his tractor and move it out of the field. “It didn’t belong there.” When he started the motor of the tractor it lifted up and hovered ten feet off the ground. I guess plasma has a brain, too. It did leave a “nest” in the field. In one case there were six swilled patches. The witness was a farmer who was very frightened by the ordeal. The Officer who arrived quickly at the site concluded in his report that the six objects which made the marks in field came from the sky.

You may ask: "Yeah, but do hoaxers see UFOs? See them?" – they even take pictures!

“Rod Dickinson describes how he inadvertently photographed a small white disk in 1991. The negatives were subsequently analyzed by Urologist”

“Whilst making what was at the time the most ambitious crop circle ever attempted Julian Richardson and his team were witness to a strange orange ball of light”

Photographs by crop circle makers?

http://www.circlemakers.org/chibolt.html

It is interesting that the circle hoaxers are also feeling they are being watched. It may be a form of communication.
Just a tip to the hoaxers, the debunkers will believe everything you say except the UFO part. Oh, I know how they will believe you just tell them they are hoaxes.

The Trace cases are wonderfully explained in the History Channel Video “Alien Encounters” and worth every penny.

http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=77072

Ted Phillips is the primary expert in the “trace case” field (another researcher who actually goes to the witnesses) here's a link.

http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/physicaltracecases.htm

The Good American

UFO Media Matters
fellow travelers in space-time

The UFO Whistleblower
Joseph Capp

“…and I took it [piece of the spaceship] and I bent it and I twisted it and I laid it back down, and it went [sound] got right back to the same shape.”

Meet June Crain*

I am so tired of these two-handed bandits, these blog gurus who pontificate the truth from their computer thrones, who debunk UFOs with no regard for the human factor.
Here is my truth: June Crain was there.
June Crain had an “above top secret” clearance.
June Crain typed secret documents and took dictation for the scientists.
June Crain kept “the secrets” for 45 years.
What secrets did June Crain keep? June handled pieces from the Roswell crash, and was friends with the person who escorted the boxes of dead bodies by transport from New Mexico. Where could June have worked? June Crain worked at Wright-Patterson Air Base for over 10 years, 1942 to 1953. June’s friend, “Master Sergeant Clarence,” (she attended his wedding) escorted the alien bodies (not Japanese or German ‘aliens’) these were “little green men” to the base. June was there, watching, as the engineers almost rolled on the floor laughing about the balloon cover story. The new management is probably still laughing.

What were the details? June knew there were pieces of “space ships”; she personally handled the fragments. An Officer handed them to her. She tried to cut the piece or make a mark on it; she couldn’t do it. She wrinkled it all up and it would smooth out to its original shape. Although rather thick, it was almost weightless. Where did it come from? The military officer’s answer was “New Mexico”. You can bet if June handled a piece of the “space ship”, then the scientists were privy to much more. She took dictation from the “engineers” and scientists. She was one of the few who could understand their terminology. She was the fastest in dictation and typing of the support staff. They spoke of three crashes, for sure, all in New Mexico. At the time, the knowledge was treated as matter-of-fact. The scientists were obsessed with, and debated, the propulsion systems. They rolled their eyes and almost lost it over the Air force explanation.
The scientists and military liked June; she was pretty, smart, and took no bull. She started working at Wright Field when she was 17. Tough, she told one Colonel to “kiss her ass” when he tried to skirt some rules. She was also instrumental in catching a spy. What a woman! She disagreed with our historians on one character at Wight Field. But I have a sneaking suspicion June is right --and the historians are wrong. Read the entire interview on PDF, unless of course, you take to the notion that our historians, like UFO skeptics, are always right.

Character – June Crain forgot more about character than most of our web pontificators, including me, will ever know. Two bouts of Cancer, the death of a husband, almost lost a child to a drunk driver, and had financial problems to boot. So what did June do? She learned carpentry and built 15 homes for low income families. Later, when she retired, she continued to help her local community by raising the funds for the local library. This is a person, real, not some caricature designed by your local spin factory. I don’t know, today maybe that just doesn’t matter anymore.

For Fame - When June came forward, she came forward anonymously. She did this because the media and the Air Force made fun of the Roswell spaceship crash theory. She was getting very old and took it personally --perhaps because she personally handled a piece of the craft. Seven years later she came forward publicly. The second time she came forward, she did so because the Air Force cast aspersions on her esprit de corps, by claiming the alien bodies were parachute test dummies. June worked with the Parachute Corps at Wright Field, and she knew that was a lie. She loved those guys and watched one test where many soldiers died. This high-mortality test was kept secret. Even though seven years had passed, the story June first leaked remained the same. No matter what these skeptics and armchair quarterbacks like me say, some things are burned into your memory…you do not forget them. All of us regular folks know that.
I know our society and the media seem to believe that when you start getting old you should go “gentle into that good night” as Dylan Thomas put it. Thomas’ poem says, instead, we should “rage…against the dying of the light.”
There was no way June was going to go gently, or in silence.
I hope if anyone reads this blog about June, and the explanations from Balloon Nuts or alternate theories given fifty years after the fact, they’ll just take a moment to give June Crain --her unique story and her heroic life-- a second look. I doubt the skeptics will. They’re never wrong, you know.

The interview is at the link below (PDF) with the MUFON link. Even if you’re a non-believer, the intelligence history is rich and well worth the read.

*Jerome Clarkson, Senior Director of MUFON at the time, interviewed June Crain and verified her work and personal history. MUFON is an amazing organization made up of many volunteer members. I joined MUFON, and really enjoy the MUFON Journal with all the new cases of UFO experiences. Trained MUFON volunteers actually go and talk to the witnesses. What a novel idea.

The full June Crain interview in PDF
http://www.majesticdocuments.com/pdf/crain_clarksoninterview.pdf

The MUFON Home Page
http://www.mufon.com/

PLEASE MR. KIMBALL

UPDATED**

I was going to write about "People who shoot at UFO"s but I had to respond to this.

Mr. Kimball tells us to think?

http://redstarfilms.blogspot.com/2007/01/where-is-ohare-ufo-photo.html

First a famous UFO case from the past:

"Dr W. Hall( a biochemist) and Dr. Y (a bacteriologist) were coming into their company parking lot at 11.00 am when they noticed a metallic-looking silver disk 4-5 ft in diameter and 1.5 feet thick above a building across the street (these were their best estimates). It was tilted and wobbling, emitting no sound or exhaust. It moved slowly over their heads at less then 50 feet and when it arrived at a railroad yard it made a turn and headed back in their direction. Just then they noticed a round black object hovering 10.000 feet that they estimated to be 100 feet in diameter. From out of the clouds above two other similar unidentified appeared and the “three craft jittered like boats in a stream”. At that moment the small silver UFO arrived where they were standing, stopped spinning and then shot out of sight. One of the black objects moved away in the same direction while the two others hovered for a couple of minutes before speeding off.”

Dr. W. Hall comments. “We had been forced to the conclusion that we had seen some objects of such unusual propulsion characteristics that is was difficult to think of it as anything other then extraterrestrial. With our joint observation we began to worry about the implications recalling historically “technologically inferior civilizations have historically crumbled when contacted by those more advanced.” UFO Magazine (documented case)

Now to Mr. Kimball

Mr. Kimball in his latest public “thinking” will take the “Official explanation on the UFO O’Hair” story. Which one the “never happened” story or “yea we did get a phone call” story. I think his assertion that there should be some “”photographs” is absurd. Even though there might have been I can understand why there easily could have been none.
Mr. Kimball should fly out of Canada to O’Hara and take a camera along or visit Brooklyn New York where I live.. Take all the pictures you want until you get haul out of there. I was told firmly to put my camera “away right now or they would take it.” when I was taking pictures of my Grandson at Kennedy not the safest Airport. Better yet Mr. Kimball should go out to the air fields (outside the fence is ok) and take pictures you have a ball. I’m sure later on you have at least a folder on you tuck away some where.

Mr. Kimball should take some advice from (a relative) a real “thinker” Mr. Stanton Friedman and interview the witnesses as Peter Davenport did. They included Pilots and Mechanics. Who just happened not to have cameras with them at an airport waiting for UFOs or “helicopters”?

As far as the problem of clear pictures of UFOs is concerned this can easily be solved even with known effects. The subject was explained in 1995 by a scientist. In Paul R Hills “Unconventional Flying Objects”. He suggests something on the order of a corona discharge could be the explanation of why we rarely get clear photographs. Another theory I like is a type energy field around the craft, very plausible and likely considering the possible modes of transportation.

Mr. Hill accepted some of the very creditable witnesses at face value and tried to build logical scientific hypothesis around that data. What I believe also some of these are craft.


Mr. Kimball talks about thinking,I agree. But make sure you thinking out of the right side of your body.

Peter Davenports web page
http://www.ufocenter.com/

Off Mike Comments About O'Hare.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5488895546832717747&q=O%27Hare+Airport+UFO&hl=en"