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"Something Wicked This Way Comes"
When I was first told of the possibility that ETs may be mutilating humans I recoiled at the idea. I believed fervently that ETs are not Gods, but they certainly are intelligent enough to distinguish between a cognitive species and those that are not. I just didn't believe they would do that. It just seemed to be so blatantly uncaring and just plain stupid. Why in God's name would they allow the bodies to be found? It's one thing when you experiment with cattle but to do it to humans and just let the body lie there…it was against common sense, even if you believed they were demons.
I had gone to the PA MUFON conference at the science center in Blue Hill Pennsylvania. It was a fun time and the there were a great many young people in attendance for the first day. The price was $25 a day, not bad at all.
Web Site:
http://www.pamufon.com/
It was during this conference that a speaker named Butch Witkowski took the stage. The title of the talk was "Abductions". I had thought it was j another MUFON researcher presenting on a group of abductees and their cases…boy was I wrong. A friend of mine last year had asked me to do some reading on "Human Mutilations" he mentioned a case in South America. I had already read about the case and had drawn my own conclusions. I told him I believed it was copy cat murder. Some maniac had read about cattle mutilations and copied it trying to throw the police off.
Then enters Butch Witkoski a homicide detective with 27 years experience. When he spoke on stage that day at PA MUFON about "human mutilations" and how inexplicable the forensics around these case tuned out to be, I listened intently. As much as the topic doesn't make sense it still scared me. What stopped me cold about his presentation was Butch believed, and seemed to find supporting evidence, that at least one of the human victims was alive during the mutilation.
What if there are some bad ETs that break the rules? Maybe what they do is against a cosmic policy. Do they know humans will fluff it off, rather than believe it could be real? It seems that is exactly what was has been done with these cases.
Before I present some clips from Butch's presentation let me underline from him some facts for you. After all is said and done an average of 250, 000 people disappear every year, of that number an average of 30,000 people disappear each year with no explanation. The latter numbers are released only after all avenues of explanation have been examined and thrown out. Explanations like: run a ways, starting a new life, cheating family member or abuse, human abduction, murder and many more. These missing 30,000 people might as well have disappeared off the planet. Some were just doing what they normally do and wham; their gone. "I'm going down to bye some milk"; person disappears and never found again. Most of what happened to these missing persons may never be explained, and in the end probably have mundane explanations. However there is room for speculations in this arena. If ETs are mutilating humans can we attain the evidence to prove it?
Another item I like to bring out is what Ed Grimsley told me. Ed Grimsley is a great champion for UFO research he took a group of us out to view UFOs through Generation 3 night vision goggles; for free I might add.. We had over 24 people broken up in small groups each with their own goggles. When anyone found an object they would flash their laser and we could all follow along. Of course some were mistakes but by the end of the spotting all of us together had six separate sightings one even without the scope. This object could not be explained by any means we could think of. Grimsley recounted to us that he and some of his friends had witnessed UFO object which seem to shoot beams at other UFO objects. The objects hit, usually veers off course and they look like they burn up in the atmosphere. I believe to this day Ed and his friends were not lying. I bring this up here because it is possible that what is being done by some ETs is not accepted by the majority of other ETs and sometimes Ed sees the results.
With this possibility in mind I listened as this man presented the scariest scenario of all…HUMAN MULTILATIONS BY ETs.
DVD: Backcountry Productions: Abductions. Butch Witokoski
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Are people being killed by ETs, militated to find what they need? If we do find this out to be true what can we do? If ETs are doing this and no one is stopping them do we really want contact? There some very good human beings and some very evil ones on this world, is this what is reflected all over the universe with other cognitive species? These are open question and can't be answered by abductees and contactees simply because, if some ETs could do this type of evil… lying would be a walk in the park.
Note: In no way do I mean that it is OK for ETs to experiment on animals. But I think most of us know that human mutilations would put, at least some ETs, in a whole new light.
Here is hoping all of us have a less complacent... New Year.
Joseph Capp
UFO Media Matters
Non-Commercial Blog
Thanks for the notation at the foot of your article, Joseph.
ReplyDeleteI don't want to get into whether this is actually happening at all, but lets assume for a moment, that it is.
I guess my overall opinion is that we really cannot guess how someone that exists outside our scope of understanding, will see, react, or feel about *anything*. Are they bad ETs? Are they Good ETs? The argument is subjective. To us it certainly matters, but to an outsider – maybe it doesnt. Maybe they are as innocent in their own way as we supposedly are for our imvolvement in animal testing or factory farming. We say that it's “ok” because animals “aren't the same as us”. While to me, that is slightly flawed logic, it *is* how the majority of the world sees these things.
A lot of people use the ant comparion – that we are the “equivalent” of ants to a highly advanced being. But I'm not going to put it quite that way. I'll just say this: Maybe the scale in which we measure the importance of life, is not Universal.
Dear Interstellar Housewife,
ReplyDeleteWhat an interesting idea. Maybe to them life just goes on and is not the end. It might be they are so physic that both worlds mingle and material life is not that important. The crash at Roswell was an indicator that they do not go after their own crash victims. Very interesting comment
Thanks and Happy New Year
Joe
UFOMM
Greetings Joesph,
ReplyDeleteInteresting cases you present with comments. I suggest you use the power of the federal courts to force the release of the autopsy results in the PA case.
Also, there's a forensic pathology school in TN that teaches advanced forensic science to students. I suggest you contact them and ask them to review the pathology reports you're collecting and comment specifically on the completeness of the reports and their evidential value.
If they will agree this will greatly strengthen your claims that ETs are performing mutilation murders. The more cases the better until you reach a point where any other explanation is impossible.
My best and thank you.
LL
Dear Airforce1949,
ReplyDeleteWell Butch is investigating the cases so I will get his email and pass your suggestions over to him. That idea about TN. I wonder some fresh eyes would see on the test? Thank you
Happy New Year
Joe
UFOMM
I just have to say I find it sad you seem to imply that its OK that some 'ETs' would mutilate animals, but not humans?
ReplyDeleteI will add, this subject of course disturbs me too. Whats it mean?
Dunno
Dear Muzmuz,
ReplyDeleteWhat I was trying to say, so clumsily, was that ETs might get away with throwing dead cattle around but if they were to start doing this to humans it would bring tremendous attention just for the fact it produces a great deal of fear in us. Why would they bring that kind of attention to themselves. I will not believe this represents all that is out there. It seems humans have lost another special place in the universe we are no longer the only living creature that is evil.
Happy New Year
Joe
Dear Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteThank you for stopping by.
Happy New Year
Joe
UFOMM
Hi Joseph. Happy New Year to you, and Yours.
ReplyDeleteThe thing that bugs me the most about all of these cases, both Human, and animal, is that the bodies are left to be found.
Most of the psycopathic nutcases on the loose, that we hear about, quickly dispose of the bodies of their victims, so that they can buy themselves time to strike again. We capture them, and they tell authorities where to look for the victims. Yet, the actors on this gruesome stage are, seemingly, immune from capture, and they flaunt their crimes.
A number of years ago I did some research on some of our activites in Vietnam, during the Phoenix Program. One of the Psyops tactics employed by our Special Operations folks came as a result of tapping into the local superstitions. The locals, it was found (by the CIA), believed in something they called: "Vampire Faries". So, one of the tactics "our" hunter/killer teams would employ was the abducting, and mutilating of villagers...always making sure to leave the tell-tale puncture marks of the vampire on the neck. The idea behind it was to raise the alarm level of the local people, and also provide a cover for our activities there.
This sounds so much like some of the animal/human mutilation deaths that it is startling to me. It does not necessarily provide answers as to the WHO part of it, at all! The abilities of these other killers seems to be beyond anything we have.
If it were Army/CIA SpecOps -what is the point? Its one thing to do this to someone yanked off of a jungle trail, in the middle of nowhere, it is yet another to continually do this where it will be widely known.
It all leaves me with extremely disturbing questions, and very few answers.
I agree Bob, and Happy New Year by the way. The only motive I can come up with is compete arrogance. They do what they do and just don't care. They figured out we humans will do anything not to accept the fact we are being used by some beings that treat us more as a nuisance than a equal. I never forget what Ingo Swann, the father of remote viewing, commented dung his last presentation. He had been asked to remote view the Moon. He found an Ets base with being like us. What he noted emotionally before they "block him" was the complete indifference they had toward us. What ever it is it is certainly not frightened of our investigations that is for sure and if it is ETs they seem to have figured out mainstream public reaction before they even knew.
ReplyDeleteBut mutilating humans that is a whole different ball game. Travis Walton is going to be presenting at the UFO congress this year. In the film "Fire In The Sky" they have a shot of a human mutilations on the ship. How much of that was Hollywood I don't know. I am going to ask him if possible about that.
Thanks
Joe
UFOMM
Setting aside speculations about why ET wants to carve out our livers, I think the Todd Sees case should be put to bed. This last week his story suddenly surfaced in multiple blogs so I spent some time with google and went to (among other sites) the NUFORC site. In my opinion this appears to offer a more mundane explanation. NUFORC published several of the newspaper articles that detailed the case in real time, with the first report being filed on the day he had gone missing but was not yet found. These reports are internally very consistant and tell a different story.
ReplyDeleteIf you go through the many web reports you'll find more-than-usual amount of inaccuracies. I won't bore everyone with tedious recitation but will note that if you compare the original news reports to "whats out there" you'll find confusion about the dates, times and where he was found (it was NOT 25 yards from the house!). I actually had to start writing down things to remember some of the basic facts that got distorted through retelling.
The NUFORC site asks a number of questions as "unresolved" issues. I won't question the intent or integrity of those who asked them but most of the questions seem to arise from having no experience in death investigation, forensic path or, for that matter, search and rescue. Questions about why law enforcement officers wouldn't comment on the case (they never do when a case is pending), why someone wasn't called in to identify the deceased (every heard of fingerprints or DNA?), why "officials" wouldn't let family view the body are (they can only suggest and will do so when the condition of the body is likely to be upsetting to family), well...misdirected. Read the contemporaneous reports, factor in things like time of death, ambient air temperatures (in the 90s F), the fact that the search actually got started very late on the first day and a lot of the questions answer themselves.
I mention this only because a lot of people are using this case, with it's distortions, innuendo and misunderstandings without regard to the facts. This man died tragically and young and left a family and children. This is a disservice to them. In view of the more down-to-earth nature of the case it really ought to be retired.
Dear MnDoc,
ReplyDeleteThank you so much for those facts concerning the case. Like I have said I have serious doubts ETs do this but I have to ask the question as long as their are cases that seem similar to the cattle mutilations. What got me about his presentation was Butch's extensive background as a Homicide detective.
You would be expecting him to be on top of all this.
Thanks again for you comment and have a great year.
The link to the NUFORC is:
http://www.nuforc.org/
Joseph Capp
UFO Media Matters
Non-Commercial Blog
Thanks Joseph for the support and comments. If I have published a second set of comments it was only because I didn't realize that the first set "went through". Sorry about that.
ReplyDeleteThe cattle mutilations offer some good information. The NIDS website (before it went down) has some excellent information and some of their investigations met forensic standards. They even went so far as to analyze the aqueous humor for trace amounts of unknown chemicals. It was really good work.
Happy new year.
Thanks MnDoc,
ReplyDeleteI went over all of the cattle mutilation documents at NIDS it was some great work. I was so saddened by the web site going down. What is going to happen to all of the great investigative data they have. George Knapp assured me they would release all of the evidence on the Skinwalker Ranch. What will happen to all of that? Unless NIDS allows open access to this data it may be lost forever.
Thanks again
Joe
UFOMM