Nick Pope comes out from the very beginning stating the UK government knows no more than the public on identifying these unidentified objects. Nick states emphatically, over and over, there are no conspiracies by the UK government to hold back the truth. Of course, we know that good old Nick would spill the beans to the rest of us if he knew…wouldn't he?
If the United State
s government and the UK released everything they have on the term "UFOs" it would not tell one tenth of the story. There are many ways to hide information even within secret documents. Replacing any catch word like UFO with eyes only documents, would have been instituted decades ago. No matter what anyone tells you there never was a secret as big as an the Extra-Terrestrial presence on earth.
"In the interview on September 15, 1950, Sarbacher was to tell Bremner/Smith that Scully was essentially correct, flying saucers existed, they didn't originate on Earth, and the subject was the most highly classified in the U.S. government, at a level higher than the H-bomb" Wilber Smith papers.
http://www.roswellproof.com/smith_papers.html
Where else would you put a secret that had so many implications? Where are they from? How many different visitor types are here? What are they doing? Why are they acting in secret? What chance do we have against this type of technology?
Remember, this would be a potential enemy you really know nothing about, no history, culture, attitudes, belief system nothing to build a psychology around or a profile.
The truth is that this secret could be disguised as anything.
If the USA releases all of documents on UFOs, will it also release the film of the famous shoot down of one of our missiles? If that is not forthcoming then are all those witnesses are lying? We could go on and on about hundreds of UFO cases where gun camera videos of UFOs were shot. We have landing cases and Roswell and missing UFO evidence. All of these will be considered fake if no corroborating evidence is found. That's a great deal of good solid witness cases that are thrown to the wolves.
Some of the officers at Roswell who were first person witnesses to t
he spaceship and were in the RAF. What happened to them and their secrets? Does Nick Pope claim that none of these UK military officers never briefed their government on what happened at Roswell? Will the UK reveal what really happened at the famous Brentwaters Airbase UFO landing case in the final release of the UK UFO documents? According to Larry Warren at Brentwaters there was film taken during this landing incident. So, if there is no smoking gun film as Nick Popes claims then Larry Warren is lying there is no two ways about it.
Rather than helping to support the strong conclusion that UFOs are unknown craft, these public relation disclosures belittle the importance of UFOs. In the end the government statement being mad
e here is: there is no smoking gun and there never has been one. Do you want to support that?
This sham disclosure is also true in the South American countries . Just because they claim all UFO data will be released doesn't mean this is going to ha
ppen. A great example of a phony photo ops disclosure was undertaking by Brazilian government. The following actually happened on a recent disclosure in Brazil. The suicide of the captain who headed a military team sent to investigate the UFOs put pressure on the government to release what they claimed was the "full" government's document on "Operation Plate," a stunning UFO case. Brazil had the press there as they led the UFO researchers to look over all the documents. The problem was when they were inside the document archives, away from the press, they were not allowed to see all the documents including, believe it or not, video… some disclosure.
The arrogance of a Nick Pope or the John Alexander's of this world in claiming the governments do not have any smoking gun evidence is a slap in the face of the many credible UFO witnesses.
So, if any of you think we will win the war of UFO silence through disclosure, think again. In one swoop the governments of the world, through these disclosures have swept some of the most disturbing cases and their witnesses under the carpet.
Here's is one of those disturbing witnesses:
Larry Warren:
position A may not see what position B see's, proximity location prevail's. per part 2
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteTheir is no doubt not all saw the landing. Also not all could have saw the "filming" but what ever happened there should be some kind of paper trail according to Pope. I say no because when it get's to a smoking guy level it is treated completely different. They are the biggest secret, and because of it's unbelievability, the easiest secret to keep from the power and intellectually elite.
Thanks
Joe
Has Nick Pope ever claimed to have been given unrestricted access to all of the UKs information concerning unidentified aerial phenomena? Surely many UFOlogists consider him to have had access to some, but not all information, and that there is a distinct possibility that the UK 'UFO Desk' was unacknowledged misdirection. Compartmentalisation is commonplace and he did not have unfettered access. If his superiors did know the identity of some of the alleged craft, they might consider not suitable to pass the desk that tries to identify unidentified phenomenon, and, like the rest of us, he would remain in the dark...
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteI agree with what you have stated but Mr. Pope claims otherwise. He claims that there is no smoking guy and if there was he would know about it. So we believe Pope and the dishonest UK MOD or we believe the witnesses. I've made my choice.
Thanks
Joe
UFOMM
Joseph, I have a number of friends who work in various civil service capacities, (much as Nick Pope once did), some of them in areas to do with immigration.
ReplyDeleteFrom time to time they tell me of peculiar run-ins they have with various inexplicable individuals who seem complete laws unto themselves, are seemingly able to countermand or overrule their supposed superiors - in short, exhibit the classic characteristics of spooks.
When my friends point out some of these odd episodes to their colleagues, or ask questions like, "What exactly does So-and-so do around here?", their colleagues look at them as if they're crazy, apparently unquestioningly believing anything and everything they're told, even when some of those explanations completely contradict the facts.
I might add, these friends, who're all very talented and clever people at what they do, are constantly overlooked for promotion, even when everyone agrees they're the obvious choice for the job, losing out to far less talented and clever candidates who're only distinguished by their lack of imagination and an irresistible compulsion to comply and fit in.
When Nick Pope was a civil servant, I suspect he was probably perceived as precisely this same sort of unquestioning 'follower of orders' type, hence he received promotions and, indeed, got the UFO desk job.
There is another side to all this secrecy business, though, that rarely gets mentioned, but which I think applies to the Black Ops field as much as anywhere else.
A particularly intuitive civil servant friend of mine's so good at 'noticing' 'things' they were actually approached for recruitment by what might be called 'Grey Ops', but declined because their conscience wouldn't allow them to be party to facilitating the 'invisiblization' of apparently irredeemable individuals with appalling criminal records, while at the same time 'cooking' data of individuals who were clearly only guilty of following the wrong religion.
This friend also thought they'd been detecting signs of other types of shady goings on where these 'Grey Ops' people were concerned and was subsequently vindicated by the arrest of various 'Grey Ops' guys who were apparently using their shady status to among other things collect and sell information to various industrial corporations and, in at least one instance, run an illegal immigration scam - they very thing they were supposed to be putting a stop to!
My point being, there's almost certainly a lot of vested interests out there who probably see disclosure as an unwelcome end to a whole world of scams, (not to mention the danger of forgotten scams being unearthed), people who'll pull every dirty trick in and out of the book to prevent the loss of the unspeakable power and license they presently have.
Dear Alanborky,
ReplyDeleteThank you for your informative comment. I brought some of what you said to Pope. His argument was it is different in the UK with the MOD. We argued back and forth. I am not an expert on the MOD but it seemed to be a weak answer to me.
Thanks
Joe
UFOMM
I'm not saying Nick Pope knows anything, and I'm not saying governments like giving up their secrets, but that's hardly evidence the US government archives hold firm proof of aliens. I would think that after all this time, with all of this so-called first-person solid testimony, that a fair portion could be corroborated independent of government archives. But no, we're pretty much left with hearsay corroborating hearsay, and conspiracy theory filling up the gaps.
ReplyDeleteA bit of modesty would suggest the US government's files reflect this.
Dear Terry,
ReplyDeleteThat's true the real deal would not have a paper train in the archives. When military officers at Roswell,l who have kept there mouth shut until the end of their lives confess of aliens and spaceships to their children than I think that is as much evidence as I need that something is being withheld. The governments have lied time and time again on this subject. So who are you going to believe. Well I've made my choice.
Thanks
Joe
UFOMM
Dear Terry,
ReplyDeleteThat's true the real deal would not have a paper train in the archives. When military officers at Roswell,l who have kept there mouth shut until the end of their lives confess of aliens and spaceships to their children than I think that is as much evidence as I need that something is being withheld. The governments have lied time and time again on this subject. So who are you going to believe. Well I've made my choice.
Thanks
Joe
UFOMM
I reported my "UFO" sighting to the MOD 13 years ago, And a bowdlerised version of it was released to the public on the 18th Febuary this year.
ReplyDeleteThey had condensed a five minute description (made on an answerphone )of what I saw to fourteen words. They had also changed the location,The "brief description" pdf from the MOD website says the sighting was in "Middleton, Staffordshire" And the MOD "UFO Report defe-24-1990" pdf from the National Archive website puts the location of the sighting at "Middleton, Lancaster".Both of these locations are incorrect, the real location was Burnley in Lancashire.
Governments lie.
I won`t bore you with a desciption of what I saw,But I`ll say this much. I believe what I witnessed were the same things that Kenneth Arnold witnessed & Carl Hart Jr Photographed
Dear Mr. Blank,
ReplyDeleteThank you for that story. I wish you would share what happened here, so the real story will not be lost to history. We don't know how many times this has happened with MOD, but every little bit of knowledge given to us by other witnesses helps .
Thanks so much.
UFOMM
Joe
UFOMM
OK then I`ll tell you what I saw, but before I do that I`d like to explain why I reported it and why I told the MOD there were less craft than there really was.
ReplyDeleteIn the last week of October 1989 ( I don`t recall the exact date) at about 6:30 pm I was walking to a friends` house when for some reason unknown to me, I craned my head back and looked straight up. As I did this a silent metallic grey disc flew right over me. It was travelling at around 30mph and slowly accellerating as it moved off to the northeast. It appeared to be about 300ft up and about 30ft across. There were no lights on the craft, But could see quite clearly, Two lines which went across the craft and a series of shorter lines at 90 degrees to the two lines. The shorter lines were orientated in the direction of travel.
In the local paper (The Nelson Leader) the following week was a UFO report, A woman had seen a craft with green, orange & white lights on it maneuvering over farmland one and a half miles to the southeast of my sighting.
In the next edition of the paper another UFO report appears, A man witnessed a bright white light hovering above a row of houses 400 yards to the southeast of me.
It was only when the second report was published that i told my parents that I had also seen it. I did tell my friends` lodger what I had seen 10 minites after the event, But he look at me as though I was some sort of nutcase, So I kept my mouth shut for a fortnight and never backed up the other two witnesses.
When I witnessed a fleet of odd looking craft eight years later I thought I`d report it, not out of any sense of duty to queen & country, but to corroborate the reports of anyone else who may of seen them.
My report to the MOD was entirely truthful apart from one thing, the number of craft. I told the military there were twelve craft. It was an attempt to tone it down and make the unbelievable believable. Although I never counted the craft I guesstimated that there was around twenty. I was more concerned with observing there movements as they transformed a rippling snakelike formation to a Vee formation and back again.
I`ll give you a full account of what I saw 1997 when I`m in the mood for some more key crashing
Mr. Blank
Thank you Mr. Blank,
ReplyDeleteI will try and see if I can forward this to MUFON and have it in their database for posterity. If you could send me time, date and place it would be appreciated. My email is ufomm@verizon.net.
Your reaction is a classic one. A conundrum a person sees something fantastic there torn to report it. They find they have to moderate what they saw so people don't think they are a raving lunatics.
I like you to read my post on:
James Carrion: "Center For UFO Truth" In this post I take on a person who I think is so removed from the emotional turmoil of close encounter witnesses that it hurts the UFO field and can make the witnesses feel guilty for nothing, exactly what happened to you.
I witnessed two "daylight disk" no more then two hundred feet up. They were a dark copper color had to describe. My friend first saw them and brought my attention to them. They came behind me and we could see both the side and underneaths. They were classic saucers without domes though. They were traveling about 30 miles per hour went over the ocean and banked than shot very fast up the Atlantic City N. J. Coast.
My friend and I eventually went our separate ways but we met again some 20 so years later and when I mentioned the time on the beach when "we saw something" He answered first thing. "you mean the day we saw the flying Saucers"
I had told my wife the story but I think this underlined the credibility of what had really happened that day. It changed me inside. I know this happened in 1962 and that will never change.
Thanks again
Joe
UFOMM
Here is that post link:
http://ufomedia.blogspot.com/2010/06/james-carrion-center-for-ufo-truth.html
Joe
UFOMM
hi
ReplyDeleteI've emailed you the info you asked for and the two pages of the MOD file that my report appears on.
Mr Blank
Dear Mr. Blank,
ReplyDeleteI have not received the MOD report so maybe, if you have the time you could send it again. ufomm@verizon.net.
Thank you
joe
ufomm
Hi
ReplyDeleteAs promised here`s an account of what I saw and reported to the MOD to the best of my recollection.
At a little after 2am 02-Dec-97 I got up to make a brew, As I filled the kettle and looked out of my south facing kitchen window I could see that Rigel was a bright orange colour. This told me that it was a very clear night, So I thought I`d do some stargazing while the kettle boiled.
I was stood at my backdoor looking straight up, When I noticed a ripple of orange light appear above the eaves of the house. My first thought was that it was some sort of discharge from the Sun, But as I focused it I could see the it was a group of about twenty glowing craft flying in a rippling snakelike formation .
The craft were basically semi-circular, on the front (the curved edge) was a small semi-cicular nose cone which blended in to the main body of the craft. The back edge was shaped like the top of a shield (two concave curves side by side).The light the surface of the craft emitted was dimming and brightening at a rate of about once a second. This was not syncronized, Some craft were bright whilst others were dim, Although the brightness did syncronize three times and the whole formation appeared to flash. The colour of the craft when dim was a dull orange (like iron heated just beyond cherry red) and when bright it was an orangy-copper colour, It looked granular, as though it was made up of many tiny facets. The brightness was not intense enough to hide the crafts shape, It was the glow which defined their shape against the black of the nights sky
The formations they flew in alternated between a rippling snake-like formation and a Vee/chevron formation (same the lubbock lights photo 2).When they flew in the rippling formation the gap between each craft was about half its width and they were being propelled in pulses (moving forward in a jerky motion). There were three leading craft, the craft to the right of each leading craft became a new lead craft and so on, The effect was similar to a SideWinder moving across a desert floor. As I watched them it became obvious to me that they were being controlled as one thing, "On a sort of collective auto-pilot" as I put it to the MOD.
The transition to the Vee formation was done in a series of flowing motions. The craft switched form being propelled in pulses to being propelled continously and sped up. The rippling/snake-like formation became three small connected Vee formations side by side each with an internal angle of around 60 degrees. The central Vee moved foreward until the last craft on each arm was just in front of the leading craft of the two outer Vee formations. The two outer Vee formations moved inwards to form one single Vee formation with two inner arms. The two inner arms flowed foreward to become a second inner row of the chevron, some of the craft at back of the Vee formation also join the second row. They did by stopping dead and pivoting about a point in the centre of craft and turning through 90 Degrees, moving inwards, again stopping dead and turning back through 90 degrees and moving forward to complete to second row of the chevron/Vee formation.
Hi
ReplyDeleteAs promised here`s an account of what I saw and reported to the MOD to the best of my recollection.
At a little after 2am 02-Dec-97 I got up to make a brew, As I filled the kettle and looked out of my south facing kitchen window I could see that Rigel was a bright orange colour. This told me that it was a very clear night, So I thought I`d do some stargazing while the kettle boiled.
I was stood at my backdoor looking straight up, When I noticed a ripple of orange light appear above the eaves of the house. My first thought was that it was some sort of discharge from the Sun, But as I focused it I could see the it was a group of about twenty glowing craft flying in a rippling snakelike formation .
The craft were basically semi-circular, on the front (the curved edge) was a small semi-cicular nose cone which blended in to the main body of the craft. The back edge was shaped like the top of a shield (two concave curves side by side).The light the surface of the craft emitted was dimming and brightening at a rate of about once a second. This was not syncronized, Some craft were bright whilst others were dim, Although the brightness did syncronize three times and the whole formation appeared to flash. The colour of the craft when dim was a dull orange (like iron heated just beyond cherry red) and when bright it was an orangy-copper colour, It looked granular, as though it was made up of many tiny facets. The brightness was not intense enough to hide the crafts shape, It was the glow which defined their shape against the black of the nights sky
The formations they flew in alternated between a rippling snake-like formation and a Vee/chevron formation (same the lubbock lights photo 2).When they flew in the rippling formation the gap between each craft was about half its width and they were being propelled in pulses (moving forward in a jerky motion). There were three leading craft, the craft to the right of each leading craft became a new lead craft and so on, The effect was similar to a SideWinder moving across a desert floor. As I watched them it became obvious to me that they were being controlled as one thing, "On a sort of collective auto-pilot" as I put it to the MOD.
ReplyDeleteThe transition to the Vee formation was done in a series of flowing motions. The craft switched form being propelled in pulses to being propelled continously and sped up. The rippling/snake-like formation became three small connected Vee formations side by side each with an internal angle of around 60 degrees. The central Vee moved foreward until the last craft on each arm was just in front of the leading craft of the two outer Vee formations. The two outer Vee formations moved inwards to form one single Vee formation with two inner arms. The two inner arms flowed foreward to become a second inner row of the chevron, some of the craft at back of the Vee formation also join the second row. They did by stopping dead and pivoting about a point in the centre of craft and turning through 90 Degrees, moving inwards, again stopping dead and turning back through 90 degrees and moving forward to complete to second row of the chevron/Vee formation.
From this two rowed Vee formation with an internal angle of around 60 degrees the next move was to accellerate in sequence, from front to back in order to space them selves out.Then the angle of the Vee formation openned up to about 120 degrees (same the lubbock lights photo 2).Next the craft switched back to being propelled in pulses and the cycle began again.I saw them do this three times.As they sped off in a southerly direction the angle I was observing them decreased as their distance increased until all I could see was a line of orange light which appear to have a slight tremble a couple of times, as though the craft were bouncing up and down due to the intermitent propulsion I assume.The sighting ended when the craft were obscured by the roof of the house opposite.
ReplyDeleteI report this to the MOD at 11:30am on Thursday the Fourth of December 1997 two days after the event, As I said in a previous post I was entirely truthful in what I told the MOD apart from the number of craft.I believe what witnessed was the same thing Kenneth Arnold saw, Carl Hart photographed and possibly the same things filmed at Kumburgas.
Mr Blank