How can you claim the spiritual path is what the ETs represent when you condemned a whole group with intolerance? First of all the UFO community is not one voice it is many different voices… as it should be.
Are you so insensitive that you don't know some ET abductees have had their families and lives torn apart by these forced kidnapping. What is the UFO community suppose to do with these people convince them what they are feeling is all for the good. How the hell would we know that for sure? I have been around over half a century and I've seen this game before. It reminds me of many a cult? The first things a cult leader will do is separate from the mainstream and try to get his/her followers to do the same thing. The reason these cult leaders give for this separation are basically the same as yours; bad people.
I believe, as you do, that the vast majority of ETs are probably not harmful and have advanced socially and spiritually beyond us. But what we also know is that many ETs may not be. Isn't that the way of the Universe? So how are any of us to know which is which? Do we know if these are spiritual beings because they tell you and others they are? How egotistical? You are so beyond us you can't be fooled? Come to NY for a while and will find out.
Why do you punish your own group within the UFO community after all many supported you. The only reason you have any power is because you own the ranch. Remember they have been seeing those lights and crafts long before you owned that ranch.
I find it very contradictory for you to say on the one hand, this message is for the whole world, and then decide who is excluded? This make me think that if these are good ETs they pick the wrong spokesperson and if they are evil well… you may have been seduced by them.
mahatma gandhi said "Tolerance is the measure of spiritual growth" so in my book you have taken a step backwards.
But in the end, it will be the future that will decide if you actions are one of spiritual concern, or plain old intolerance for people's honest opinions that differ from you.
"heaven Help us the evil men do in the name of good"
Joe Capp
UFO Media Matters
Non-Commercial Blog
That is almost exactly what I have been thinking.
ReplyDeleteDear Lesley,
ReplyDeleteDid i read your mind or did you read mine. :)
I don't understand why so many people who claim to be spiritual are so intolerant. Yes there has been a great deal of disinformation but that is not because of the UFO community it is because of some of the UFO researchers are being set-up or just too gullible.
Thanks
Joe
UFOMM
Joe Capp, I understand your position regarding James Gilliland. However, aren't you being a bit presumptious to the point of attempting to read Jame's mind, and thoughts ? We are ALL, MEANING NO EXCEPTIONS, God's creatures ! And that means to me that each living being has Free Will, granted to them by God. That includes Mr. Gilliand, who obviously has been abused more than he can stand. If you stand for the RIGHT things in life, which are love, kindness, and compassion for ALL, you would unconditionally accept Mr. Gilliland's explanation, and move on. Each person is traveling their own spiritual path, and so be it ! The criticism and anomosity that you express towards James is your opinion, and I do respect your opinion as a child of God.
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteI respect James's right to say what he feels but I also have a right to disagree with his generalizations. The idea that any man knows the hearts of the aliens seems presumptuous at best; don't you think? If I can't criticize a "spiritual person" I consider wrong because he has his own "spiritual path" would that mean you shouldn't criicize me because I have my spiritual path which might include criticizing him. Do you see where this is going?
I had been supporting James's on YouTube and post. I wrote to James about my concern about a year ago. I questioned him about the terminology he was useing. It seemed like he constantly used absolutes, like "he knows" with no wiggle room, at least regarding the ETs. We went back forth a few times he explained that he feels he really knows.
I think that statement and his blanket statement concerning the UFO community deserves another opinion and I had one.
There is no evil or malice toward him. There is many times my ego interferes with the truth. Most of the people I know who lived the sermon knew that and asked for feedback.
I don't know if you ever read "Mahatma Gandhi" by Luis Fisher but one of the behaviors that use to astound mahatma gandhi's friends is how easily gandhi could change his mind when confronted with better reasoning. His ability to have virtually no ego investment in what he was trying to do meant he spiritually knew what he was doing was more important than him.
I see very little of that here.
Thanks for writing although your criticism of me can make me uncomfortable I welcome it..sometimes it's spiritually importing to feel uncomfortable in life.
Thanks Again
Joe Capp
UFO Media Matters
Non-Commercial Blog
For all the talk about contact with highly developed spiritual "off-worlders" I have yet to see anything but videos of unidentifiable lights in the sky and typical 'new-age', but human, philosophy. Neither Mr. Gilliland, nor any other 'contactee' that I am aware of, has ever produced or provided any new 'off-world' knowledge or technology as a result of their contacts. Its all 'spiritual' rather than dare I say 'practical'. For example, rather than providing a light show at the ranch where people get to cheer and make blurry indistinct videos and photographs why not land, get out, shake hands, and TALK to them? You have to ask that question. Why is all the lauded contact of Gilliland and Greer just amount to flashing lights and 'woo-woo' feelings? Also, what is the origin of this unreasonable and completely unsupportable assumption that ETs would necessarily be more highly 'spirituality developed' than humanity or even 'spiritual' as most people think of it at all?
ReplyDeleteDear Train Observer,
ReplyDeleteI really believe their is craft flying around his ranch. Too many people have visit and witnesses these things. But I wonder if these beings are staging conditioning for humans to their presents and maybe even monitoring of those that visit the ranch emotional reactions.
But you are right there is nothing new in superior enlightenment in what these being communicate.
That is why the Ranch should be open to anyone. It is amazing how little research has been done at Gilliland UFO ranch. I guess some UFO researcher would rather debunk old cases than work on new ones.
Joseph Capp
UFO Media Matters
Non-Commercial Blog
Well, a few people have researched the ranch. A great deal of footage is available on the internet. It is a mixed bag as far as what people think is going on. I think there is something very real going on there, however ... there is much unreal 'woo-woo' and irrational thinking going on as well. If these are well meaning aliens seeking to raise the consciousness and spiritual condition of the human race then why not simply land, get out, and really actually communicate? There must be a reason this does not occur. A real valid practical operational reason why aliens (or whatever they are) do not land, get out, and greet and meet these friendly, welcoming, non-hostile, people at that ranch. It has been going on for over 10 years! I am certain, convinced you might say, that the non-public military/governmental agency tracking and investigating UFOs is watching that ranch and the activity over it even if no well funded public UFO study group is doing so. What about MUFON there in Washington? Are they involved at all?
ReplyDeleteDear Train Observer,
ReplyDeleteMUFON from what I know never did. Paranormal State went there and had UFO sightings. They appeared at 10pm exactly at the time Gilliland said they would. They checked for satellites and everything else. The craft seemed very large. Above Top Secret, the debunking group, went there to debunk it. They came away with their own sightings and a good felt Gilliland was a good guy and very cooperative. This made me very impressed. Here was a guy inviting anyone to come his ranch and see for themselves.
Now he has become disillusioned with the UFO community. So what else is new. I get disillusioned every day. It seems to me the spiritual people have the thinnest skins.
Reality is, that many in the UFO community like to get off on disproving old cases it a right of passage and respect by other skeptical researchers. Recently Anthony Bragalia wrote an hit piece on Socorro case.
How much research has he done on any new cases?
The UFO phenomenon has evolved people are seeing UFOs more than once, some many times.
There are areas where UFOs can be seen with Night Vision Scopes. There are UFOs now displaying in themselves in places again and again to be witnessed. This is happening today. Do you see any researcher out there who are looking into these things?
If it wasn't for MUFON field investigators the only one interviewing these UFO witnesses would be the media.
It's sad.
Joe Capp
UFO Media Matters
Non-Commercial Blog
Hi Joe,
ReplyDeleteRick Phillips here of UFO Disclosure Countdown Clock - I read Mr. Gilliland's piece and your comment on his sight and now your open letter here. Here's my take.
First, I think you are right in saying that an aspect of UFO events are changing - and indeed, it is one I have been posting about. And, that is - the `calling' of orbs to specific locations. Orbs which can `mutate' or `flux' into different shapes and level of solidness. All that said, - I don't think that makes the orb event a `alien' encounter at all for certain - as we may simply be dealing with an Earth based phenomena involving human consciousness and intentionality's.
You do make a very valid point about the debunkers of old events - NOT going to check out the new happennings - but - lights in the sky and mumbo jumbo about new age thoughts is not for everyone either.
I have not formally thought thru the whole abduction issue - but - believe it is probably a huge mix of a little of every theory being correct. Some of the events are similar to DMT trips - some are sleep paralysis - some are possibly real alien abductions - and yes, some are probably military in nature. Some may be nothing more than a lucid dream state with self-hypnosis overtones.
Finally, I can understand someone who claims to `have the proof - just come and see' getting tired of waiting for the MSM to react. And, then, to snap out at the ones the media likes to feature which includes pure disinformation folks and folks out to make a big buck or name. Why not say F-Y to those associated with the mainstream for a while - let them come to you (in a sense).
Finally, this `calling' of orbs is not limited to this ranch as you are well aware and can even be identified with individuals as opposed to `ranches'. I'm sure you are aware of the Guy in Kentucky who is calling orbs. Others are too.
best,
Rick P.
The 'matter of fact' statement aliens are good is not only false but extremely naive. Has James EVER talked to an experiencer?
ReplyDeleteDear Rick,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the comments and your insight. His ranch was a perfect laboratory. There was reports of "Mothman" types reported there.
I know many UFO researcher are turned off by the spiritual overtones and repeat ufo sightings cases but they need to get over it. The more I learn about the paranormal the more I think the ETs are experts at manipulating its power. Do I know...no but that's the point.
That ranch and the reports of multiple contacts through abduction or just displays on their property could be a perfect lab for a prolong investigation. James Carrion has mention that there are high strangeness cases where many things are witnessed that should be investigated.
I know that the UFO occupants, may choose not appear if an investigating is going on, but that's the luck of the draw.
Maybe if we show the beings on these craft respect by asking to appear (many report mind communications) who knows what could happen.
Maybe they want to appear to regular folks. It is not beyond belief that ETs may display for investigators in the UFO community who the hell knows. For 60 years the UFO researcher have done a fine job. But there is always new and inventive ways to get at the truth. We have more UFO researcher(excluding MUFON field investigators) spending time trying to debunk old UFO cases then they do looking for new UFO cases.
Thanks again
Joe
UFOMM
Dear Lon,
ReplyDeleteThe idea that a spiritual advanced ET race would stand by while another nasty ET technological race abducted men, women and children off this planet just doesn't ring true.
What they imply in their spiritual slogans is they don't get involved, but someone is, and people are being scarred all their life because of it.
In the end there may be a good reason this is happening I just don't know. Maybe they are trying to save people... but maybe not. I know common sense tells me that a compliant abductee is easier to handle than a angry one.
For James or anyone else to discount this out of hand is foolish.
Thanks
Joe
UFOMM
Non-Commercial Blog
I think everyone should dust off their copies of Vallee's Messengers of Deception and reread it in light of the current discussion. The introduction of 'spiritual' aspects to the UFO phenomena is nothing new and not without some in depth analysis by that ground breaking UFO researcher. Also, I think it is a mistake to label anything as 'supernatural' or 'paranormal'. There is only phenomena to study. What we label 'supernatural' and 'paranormal' are misunderstood or unknown phenomena that we would accept as normal or natural were we to understand them properly. When we do we superimpose belief systems on data and prejudice of conclusions. What we have labeled as supernatural or paranormal in the past might as well have been labeled non-human intelligence, alien, ultra or extra-terrestrial. To attribute human 'spirituality' or anything else of human origin to the phenomena is a tragic mistake in my opinion. It colors our perception and judgement of the data.
ReplyDeleteDear Trained Observer,
ReplyDeleteYou made a very good point. Our ideas of spiritual may be way off course.
There is one thing that gives me hope...at least about the possibility that some have achieved a type of respect for the Universe and it's life.
It seems very logical to me that they made it this far by being somewhat retrained, does that include what we may called spiritual wisdom. I don't know. I do know that some of these abductions are well documented with independent verafacation. So something physical is happening to these people. I don't believe it is the military.
We may find that all of the ETs are not two deminsional in a emotional sense but complex with both good and bad. Nature never makes anything perfect...at least here.
Thanks
Joe
UFOMM
Humanity is not the wretched destroyer of worlds that many of these 'spiritually minded' individuals want to make it out to be. All the concepts about goodness, love, and beauty we have ever known all came from the human mind do they not? We have to accept the often contrary nature of human beings as being perfectly natural and deal with it. I am taken aback by the readiness with which many of these people want to exalt the imagined virtues of some unexperienced non-human intelligence and denigrate their own humanity. NEWS FLASH: The non-human intelligences that have been visiting mankind for ages are not the saviors of mankind. They did not journey here just to teach us to meditate and watch light shows in the sky. ("Power UP!, Power UP!") They are not going to give whoever the secret to free-energy (a misnomer) and anti-gravity so we can all chill by the pool and watch the light show. ("Power UP!, Power UP!") We did not need them to tell us to be kind to one another and not to make such a mess. There is something else going on. It isn't the traveling light and navel gazing show many are trying to make it out to be. I'm sorry, it just gets all over me sometimes.
ReplyDeleteDear Train Observer,
ReplyDeleteYes it get's to me also. The real sadness about all this is Jams's ranch was having some unbelievable displays over the ten year period.
According to James government, military and defense people had no problem visiting the Ranch but where were the Researchers.
When a group goes out to purposely debunk the Ranch and comes away with basically a retraction like Above Top Secret then I think the UFO community missed a great chance for what might have been a perfect UFO laboratory.
But their will be other ranches again I just hope someone who has a passion to look outside of the box will go there and do what needs to be done.
Thanks
Joe
UFOMM
What you are talking about Joe is an organization with money getting involved. Funding has always been an issue. Something like what the National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS) (I think they are defunct now) did at the skin walker ranch is certainly in order but that takes personnel and money. Also, whoever really investigates would have to remain detached from the organized activities there to be objective. What UFO organization could be petitioned to do this you think? Anybody care to pay my salary and expenses for a year or two?
ReplyDeleteDear T.O.
ReplyDeleteMUFON has the money right now through the same person who funded NIDS. MUFON already has assembled "Star Teams", I think they are called, which will be ready to be anywhere in the US in 24 hours. They have done nothing I know of yet. But they really missed the boat on Gilliland ranch. Objectivity goes both ways. Although investigators may not like the idea of a James Gilliland character around this phenomenon it does not mean there isn't a phenomenon needing of investagtion.
I'm angry becuase what these teams seem to be waiting for is a crash or something they jump to when it happens...what about long term study? Camping out a week or two somewhere with the right tech stuff were activity is confirmed over and over.
Everyone seems to be stuck in the old way of UFO investigation as the only way to investigate.
If you have the money you have to take a chances with UFOs. It may be they are out there to be observed and to contact.
Who knows, maybe the first public contact landing will be on a remote ranch instead of the White House lawn...wouldn't that blow everyone's mind.
Thank You T.O.
Joe
UFOMM
What UFO organizations, if any, are worth joining? I looked into the local MUFON here and they were sponsoring a lecture on crop-circles by some avid "ETs make crop-circles" believer. I was very disappointed as I see complex crop-circles as nothing but a distraction and not worthy of wasting time and resources on. (Search for YouTube user truthseeker666 for the inside scoop on UK crop-circle makers.)
ReplyDeleteProject Camelot's latest ...Kerry seems to have been taken in by the Blair Witch-like promotion scheme of The Forth Kind:The Movie. Kerry talks about it being about real events and being more a 'documentary' than a conventional film. Great Scott! But why should I be surprised? These are the people who brought us hoaxers like Dan Burisch for Pete's sake. Five minutes of simple fact checking would have altered her to the truth of the matter. It's a fictional movie written and directed by ... wait for it ... a fellow from Nigeria. What is Nigeria famous for now? Let me think ...
ReplyDeleteDear Train Observer,
ReplyDeleteInteresting fine. Well, anyone who watches movies for accuracy will find they are usually sorely disappointed. People read the books.
Joe :)
UFOMM
To Kerry's credit she has amended her entry about the movie.
ReplyDeleteFor a long time I have found it hard to research about 'the Greys'. Reasons being that the thought of meeting them...etc freaked me OUT!!
ReplyDeleteit greatly disturbed me, just the sight of them.
So, I would CLING to the 'comfort' of Dr Greer's explanation that they were just 'programmed life forms' (PLFs) used by nast mean men. Believing this kind of helped resolve the eerie notion that they COULD be independently doing shit
ANYHOW, I caught from one or two places that Greys had axctually given warnings to abductees about the dangers being done to Planet Earth, and this coincided with me trying to communicate with anarcho-primitivsts that UFO technology may not be that bad.
So that has been the in-road of me finding the guts to begin researching about the Greys
it is VERY confusing. For example, if you read up on the abuction of Betty Andreasson you find that the 'greys' are in a kind of partnership with 'light beings' who are all about L O V E.
If you listen to Jim Sparkes Project Camelot intervuiew he suggests the Greys main concern is by hook or by crook dramtically turning peoples back onto nature
I haven't read your take on Dr Mack yet, but I have read and listened to him, and he likens the Grey encounters to shamanic experience, as do some other researchers.
of COURSE I respect people who are horrified about being forcibly taken, raped, etc.
but I am not taking any position as such. I am saying from the bit i have looked at ALREADy it seems VERY strange, weird, ambiguous...
Dear Azuzuz,
ReplyDeleteThe lack of humility when possibly facing not only a technologically superior species but also one who has evolved beyond us. This evolution may include access to what we call the paranormal, mind communication, and other metal powers. We treat this entities as if they don't know how to outsmart us. I think they do. Your right they seem to confuse us with their action could that be their purpose. It's hard to investigate the absurd; but would they know that about us. Would they study us, I mean really study us psychologically. Did they become our expectations the good cop and bad.
These are all open questions for the future and there will be a UFO future with or without UFO researchers.
Thanks again
Joe Capp
UFO Media Matters
Non-Commercial Blog