Of all the topics to write about suggesting that “Extraterrestrial Spiritual” beings are visiting us is the one to caused the most emotions . When the subject comes up with most of the nuts and bolts crowed in UFO land their antenna goes up and they think religion or cult.
There are many different views on what a spiritual ET would mean and there are many strange naive people involved with this belief bordering on an obsession. I believe honestly that some of these people are used by the UFO movements for fund raising.
For me when you strip away all of the foolishness I do believe there must be some peaceful ETs. If a species goes out into space and meets other species capable of the same and they don’t blow each other up than there’s hope.
I know of many very intelligent people who care about other species here on our planet. Humans are capable of transcending species with understanding and compassion.. There were good people who came to the aid of the Tarantula spider… how is that for cross species compassion. I believe this is a part of being a sentient species
Space travel and meeting other species may be the norm of star travel. What we don’t seem to realize is the evolutionary distance between those species and us. For example the evolutionary adaptation of mind communicating may have ended the possibility of lying.. This change alone could have revolutionized the way species related to each other. Another example of society changing discoveries is proving that your species sentient spirit lives on after death in another dimension. I believe that would heralded the most profound change imaginable to a society or to a world. . It is very possible this has led ETs to a belief in a creator; a God like figure. Boy would that leave a sourer taste in the month of some earth scientists?
Right now we are getting close to proving once and for all there are intelligent hauntings here on earth.
The big news is that if one species out there has found us than it is logical to think many have. That means the real possibility that some of these species may be what we would call “good”. But even if they were spiritual Aliens would that mean their mores would be the same as ours?
What I have been asking myself is what is spirituality. I can only really answer about my own Spirituality. For me spirituality alone frees me from some of the absolutes of religion. It expresses the common hope that we are all children of a creator. Getting out of myself and caring for others is a spiritual discipline for me. My faith includes a creator and the creators tool evolution to develop nature over time. When the material was ready it became spiritual. My spirituality demands from me an honest reassessment of what I am doing. I always need to make sure it is not my ego in disguise. Life has its ups and downs. I don’t blame the creator for hard times this is part of the gift given; freedom of thought.
Of course all of these principle is what I strive for each day with both good and bad days.
What type of spirituality do the ETs practice. Is it the activist form like Grundy or Martin Luther King? Is it a more a passive spirituality, like that of certain monks whose contemplation turns inward in seclusion? Do ETs use the same language when it comes to explaining these beliefs. Do the ETs use “force”, “power” or “positive energy” or other catch phrases? Do ETs know about Jesus? Is what we consider “good” here on earth reflected in a universal constant with most ET intelligent species? Or are some species different and go along caring out their dispassionate endeavors looking out only for themselves?
The problem with all of these reports is ETs could easily mimic human spiritual ideas anytime they wanted to. Which begs the question; If some of these “contactees” or “channelers” reports are true then are ETs really expressing their own spiritual beliefs or mimicking ours?
One of the questions I hear a hundred times, and I have to agree with, is that there is nothing profoundly new coming out of the mouths of these ET conduits. WE hear old spiritual catch phrases which have been written down in literature throughout history.
All in all there has to be some kind of agreement out there in ET land or there would only be one species here…The Winner.
The most unsettling part of all this is the “contactees” and “channeling” groups among the UFO community. One the one side we have those claiming there is very little documentation to the truth in these individuals claims. The other side points out the UFOs and paranormal activity which has been witnessed and even photographed by other people, around these individuals. Some of the chandelers prophesize through their ETs guides and some of what they foretold come true. I know that some experiencer abductees become spiritually involved with these ET figures, who they feel are kind and just want to help and warn us.
Another very important side is from those who’s abduction experiences with ETs, have been, and continue to be, horrific. They certainly have every right to get angry when other experiencer describe ETs as spiritual superior and steeped in loving kindness.
What ever is happening around the contactees and channelers the ETs never allows a smoking gun and they could in a second. One possibility is they set up these individuals to make them feel special. When you come right down to it if If the ultimate goal of ET contacts were to guide and warn the world, boy did they pick the wrong groups to warn the larger masses.
Something else is going on here and the contactees and channellers who are being honest might contemplate the possibility that what they feel and what they are being told may not be the whole truth. The most documented cases of abduction do not include spiritual ETs if anything they seem to be professionals carrying out there duties.
Another troubling answer these ETs seem to give is; “We don’t get involved”. This is not a good answer since some of them seem to be all too evolved.
Joseph Capp
UFO Media Matters
Non-Commercial Blog
The Most Documented Abduction and the ETs that they met:
I'm more concerned with ET politics and social order than I am their spirituality. High technology and spiritual development are not inclusive by any stretch of the imagination. But lets look at the subject of alien spirituality for a moment. Do they practice deceit? Do they violate the civil rights of other beings? A cursory examination of alien abduction, cattle mutilation, and military/UFO encounters would put a yes to both of those questions. Alien "spirituality", that is their moral, ethics, and thoughts about gods they might worship are most likely incomparable to human ideas about such things. It would be an apples to oranges comparison I would think. Also, their "spiritual giants" may be as unlikely to become space travelers as their human counterparts are. Isn't it more likely that space (or inter-dimensional) travelers would be specialized agents of a larger group or organization whose agenda and purpose isn't "spiritual" in nature? Why are there sightings of enormous vehicles within the earth's atmosphere? Why giant ships? Cargo? Are they bringing something here or taking something away? UFOs are most likely piloted by representatives of a foreign (ET, nonhuman) government and not representatives of an alien spiritual, religious, or philosphoical movement. As such, their priorities are going to reflect those of the agency or institution that sent them rather than their personal spiritual or religious beliefs (if such things even apply to them) don't you think?
ReplyDeleteDear Trained Observer,
ReplyDeleteThe real problem is we don't know. Some species may be doing the cattle mutilations others may respect all life. The large Mother Ships seem to make sense since traveling in space is a big project. We don't even know if intelligent species evolve similar or completely different. Reports from close encounters with these ETs (the ones that are well documented) indicate when these other worldly species are confronted, they exhibit the same emotions as humans.
Joseph Capp
UFO Media Matters
Non-Commercial Blog
I think many of the orbs and disks people see are unmanned scout platforms (UAVs as it were) The larger (mile long, flying WalMart, etc.) reports are disconcerting. Why bring a large craft down in the atmosphere when you don't have to? You do it to load or unload something. Also, I'm sure there are several different factions visiting the planet with differing cultures and different agendas. Imagine the incredible situation that would be created by encountering some space faring missionaries of an alien religion! I think we'll be lucky if they entertain the concept of "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
ReplyDeleteDear TO,
ReplyDeleteWell I am starting to put together a post on Jets that chase UFOs now and during UFO flaps. There is two instances I know of where major flaps were accruing and Jets dropped drop flares. It is no longer a theory Stephenvill radar tapes prove that 4 jets intentional went off course and directly toward where a witness claimed to see a bright UFO being chased by Jets. This may be why you have Mother Ships near by. I think the government tracks them and they no it. But I also believe they may be taking something from us,what I don't know. It could be something we don't even know we have.
Yes the religion card would shake everyone up also Imagine if the ETs were socialist. Would that put damper on things at least in America. I think some of the ET info is so earth shattering that the government is doing everything to stop it coming out. That is why we have so many UFO whistle blowing out there wasting the time of many UFO researchers.
But these displays all over the world has me nervous. What is the aim of this? Why so secretive and than so blatantly open?
Thanks again TO great stuff.
joe
ufomm
I am pretty much convinced at this point that ET governments have had agents in place within human governmental, military, religious, and UFO organizations for some time now. The agenda certainly doesn't seem to be one of communicating spiritual or scientific truths to the people of earth but rather one of concealing their presence and obfuscating their goals. I hold anything communicated to a "contactee" or "abductee" highly suspect especially when it is accompanied by "spiritual" aspects. I have no more confidence in alien "spiritual revelations" than I do in human ones, maybe less if that is possible. Societies sophisticated enough to send machines and personnel to other worlds are undoubtedly sophisticated enough to exploit underdeveloped civilizations without open conflict or warfare. "Spiritual" propaganda would certainly be a powerful tool in the manipulation of the human population.
ReplyDeleteHi
ReplyDeleteWell, you know rightly or wrongly we have Vallee's legacy which was to open the door in this phenomenon to the paranormal which then, in of itself is a mirror to spirituality, which, is sort of like the game of pin the tail on the donkey, for all we know we pinned a kitchen appliance rather than any profound depth of identifying what all this represents. Ultimately, without any focus of effort all this can be seen as in ourselves is a search for meaning and purpose by the UFO as a proxy or stand in for ourselves. Well, we seem to say, if we figure this little bugger out there we have a nice neat package on a silver platter. I think we ask too much, there's too much personal baggage on this phenomenon. When I read the comments on this post..well, there we go again...the danger is that I think we ask this phenomenon to answer questions that we cannot except by heavy lifting..I think we have to make meaning and not discover it and so when you see all of this human baggage put on this phenomenon, you say, well here's our little shopping list of provisions we require...which I think is dangerous, we hand the knife by the handle to the unknown. Here are our chief weaknesses and so we ask a chimera to fill in the blanks..in a way I think all of this is necromancy..we have called this forth, and its again much more dangerous in subtle ways in that are subliminal, very subtle and require a great deal of self skepticism which is in short supply. One of these days, I think we will find this is a joke we have played on ourselves, we are the aliens.
Best Wishes
Bruce
Dear Bruce,
ReplyDeleteYes we are the aliens. We are part of a greater biology and so I believe are our visitors. It seems to me that since every living thing in the material Universe is adapting than they would have to go through fazes as we did. Would they evolve into not even knowing their biological past...I don't think so. I refuse to believe these entities are so far removed from the material universe that they don't think like we do. They seem to do a great deal of what we do. If anything the strange phenomenon associated and created by these entities has worked in the past with humans and it works now. Is that intentionally using the Godlike card to control or confuse? It very possible in the material universe.
Thanks Bruce
Joe
UFOMM
I think ultimately they are irrelevant unless they make themselves otherwise. The same for us. They are as ambivalent as we are. For all the smoke and mirrors we adapt as an abstraction, so do they. We are the egg and they are the chicken. We are they.We use the godlike card every day..do as we say and not as we do. I suppose Joesph, that we are necromancers in the end in search of an image made by proxy.
ReplyDeleteA correspondent told me of a monk who was tending his garden as a UFO hovered just a few feet off the ground close by. He kept tending his garden none the less, and when it's presence became distracting..he shooed it away.
A wise man indeed.
Dear Bruce,
ReplyDeleteWell it is not irrelevant to those who are being abducted. For them it is all to relevant. I don't think any of us should abandon these victims to mainstream explanations. Being alone with a situation that seems helpless is a frightening experience. So although I agree that we may not be able to stop what is happening we certainly can give as much comfort and understanding to those who live the terror of being taken. So we have to push on no matter how bleak at times it may seem.
Thanks Bruce
Joe
UFOMM
I agree it is not irrelevant to those who experience what essentially, is a visionary initiation which again reflects in repetitive symbolic acts that portray our own behaviors as a species, and it wasn't my intent to suggest this. Every day of every week, we capture, experiment and try to alter nature, even our fellow creatures in some sort of Dr Frankenstein quest to control nature whether it is horrific hybrid animals, genetic clones, altering crops,etc.e cannot tolerate uncertainty. In these experiences the shoe has been placed on the other foot. It is very typical for human behavior to decry this and yet continue to wreak havoc on the processes albeit non human which brought us here..gave us an opportunity..an enormous gift..nature in it's own way is fighting back..it's a contest, or at least in my opinion. In this there are more than human victims, the planet itself is a victim..and so all I ask..is all this coincidental? It's a mess and it's as incoherent as we are. Now then there's the matter of justice. The firing squad shoots deserters while they murder one another on the field of contest. A group attempts to stop what they term the murder of life by assassinating doctors.Dialog is drown out by fanatics.We destroy this planet while searching for life on others. I could fill five pages with these cross purposes as it's our cultural heritage..does this justify the experiences of "abductions"? No. But the root of these intermediary rituals are decidedly earthbound. Good alien or bad alien, well, we are both,aren't we? They are both.A good potential with a deserved bad reputation. We are tied angle to ankle with these perpetrators and this is no abstraction.
ReplyDeleteDear Bruce,
ReplyDeleteas always you bring thought provoking comments to the table. I just know that we need to give support to the real abductees who are on the front line of whatever is happening. Those who feel violated have every reason to feel that way. The other feeling scares me. The idea that someone feels good about being abducted and forced into pregnancy by these beings does not seem natural without some type of emotional manipulation. If they need to pick certain people for this purpose than they may go about it just the way we see it. Once under the influence of these beings we can't tell what is real. However the tell tale physical sighs after an abduction, indicate something similar to what eventually is remembered, did accrued.
Thanks Bruce
Joe
UFOMM
Hi Joseph. Recently I find it peculiar all of these nonsensical scripts released, showcasing aliens as benevolent and compassionate in childrens movies. I saw 2 new ones released on DVD just the past week. Read this:
ReplyDeleteBattle for Terra
http://www.rlslog.net/battle-for-terra-proper-dvdrip-xvid-diamond/
PLOT: When the peaceful inhabitants of the beautiful planet Terra come under attack from the last surviving members of humanity adrift in an aging spaceship, the stage is set for an all-out war between the two species for control of the planet. But will an unlikely friendship between a rebellious young Terrian (voiced by Evan Rachel Wood) and an injured human pilot (Luke Wilson) somehow convince their leaders that war is not the answer?
also:
Monsters VS Aliens
http://www.rlslog.net/monsters-vs-aliens-dvdrip-xvid-jumanji/
Plot: When a meteorite from outer space hits a young California woman named Susan Murphy and turns her into a giant monster, she is taken to a secret government compound where she meets a ragtag group of monsters also rounded up over the years. As a last resort, under the guidance of General W.R. Monger, on a desperate order from The President, the motley crew of Monsters is called into action to combat the aliens and save the world from imminent destruction!
While I dismiss that most in the field of ufology is disinfo assembled and propagated by some single shadowy dark force (as there are many rationales in psychology/culture behind how stories origin and spread within communities) I always stop and wonder if there is some kind of purpose to all this conditioning of our children that aliens are supposed to be benevolent? The purpose of the disinfo programs is getting the ball rolling. I mean, there are very little scientific proof of "the good alien" from the viewpoint of western ethics.
And the timing of it? I have seen and read a lot of peoples convictions that there will be imminent political ET disclosure. From nutty Exopolitics lobbyists to spiritual (more new age kinda) people more pointing towards 2012 for ET disclosure. I never really believed them but I have to contemplate the whole theory when faced with actual rationale.
I myself don't believe in disclosure nor from us or "them" as I have described in past comments. There are many things I keep an open mind about in this field but 60 years (we might argue 5000 years) of history points towards ET (or whatever it is) not wanting any broader acceptance or general publicity. It has been (and will remain) hidden and selective. I believe it's fair to assume that ET could be walking among us right now but simultaneously would not identify themselves publically. Even so, I see a movement towards embracing ET that is nothing like the movies in 1960s to 1990s.
A rapid shift in cultural conscience has taken place. All this is so perplexing and conflicting on so many levels. It only takes one look at an emotinally scarred experiencer to see how messed up and contradictory this phenomena is. Maybe our own chaos and darkest inner fears are also projected. The contradictory evidence also leading me to believe that there are more than one ET-race involved in this. This said, any political agenda put forth in childrens movies I believe is purely of human origin. And there is little chance in purposeful human work (artifacts). So the relevant questions are - why this agenda (and why now)?
Keep writing Joseph.
All the best,
Daniel Bergh, Sweden
Dear Daniel,
ReplyDeleteThanks as always you make me think. Do ETs know they can't stay hidden much longer? There are many new ways to detect things now. Eask year they come out with more and more detecting equipment with greater rang, ability and mobility. These instruments are used on commercial ventures all over the globe and in space. With that happening, and my belief that our visitors have bases here, it's not a far stretch to wonder if they have no choice.
I never believed they would stay hidden forever. Is this the right time? Like you I don't know? But some of these religious fanatics need their world shocked a little because these fundamentalist groups certainly can rock our world with the crazy beliefs they constantly try to force on other people. Some will be shocked to the core. I was when I had my close encounter...but I survived.
Joe Capp
UFOMM
Very interesting thoughts. Maybe there are more and more unavoidable encounters between ETs and humans, so ET must put forth some positive spin (propaganda) in order to avoid confrontation or hostile reaction. But I'd like to think that ET would play the religious card before being forced to acknowledge themselves fully. Maybe they have diverted attention with that in past times.
ReplyDeleteI can only conclude that both benevolent and malevolent ETs would benefit from putting forth a positive image.
All the best,
Daniel Bergh, Sweden
Dear Daniel,
ReplyDeleteMaybe some of them don't care and aren't interested in meeting us. If there is an ET disclosure that doesn't mean everyone visiting us wants to meet us.
Thanks Daniel
Joe
UFOMM
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