tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6624008755912934271.post7122566896063872377..comments2024-03-27T05:46:19.858-04:00Comments on UFO Media Matters: MUFON’s Bonfire of the VanitiesJoseph Capphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12428219762980782866noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6624008755912934271.post-6269944487497031482012-07-29T16:52:19.365-04:002012-07-29T16:52:19.365-04:00Thank you for the corrections. It doesn't chan...Thank you for the corrections. It doesn't change the way some investigators treat UFO witnesses. I never claimed I was an expert I didn't think you had to when you criticized the way your main resource is treated; The human beings that report do the witnessing. If you think that they are treated properly all the time you are wrong. I really recent when people attack you for criticizing MUFON. Some witnesses are turned off by jaded investigators. I know I committed sacrilege but this is not a Mutual admiration society. Without witnesses we have no resource. Many MUFON investigators have to remember that or they can be part of the problem<br />Joe Capp<br />UFOMM<br />Joe Capp<br />UFOMMJoseph Capphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12428219762980782866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6624008755912934271.post-89685394001353402462012-07-22T13:58:15.179-04:002012-07-22T13:58:15.179-04:00Joe...Get your informatiion straight! MUFON's ...Joe...Get your informatiion straight! MUFON's "Chief Photo and Video Analyst" (not optics analyst-there's a big difference it's people like you that can't get the fact's straight that put a black eye on Ufology. Not MUFON). Secondly, His name is Marc D'Antonio, not D'Angelo. Marc has more credentials and qualificatiions in his field than you can ever hope to have. I have been investigating UFO sightings for over 40 years and agree completely with Marc's analysis of the photos, no matter how much you want them to be something les mundane, they are logical and probable explanations. I don't think you know what the difference between debunkers (skeptics) and true Ufologists (those that only accept something as a UFO after all other possibilities are ruled out)if you had it your way, every case would be a UFO. Instead of labeling MUFON as debunkers/skeptics take a look at CSICOP and see what real debunkers are like!Steve Firmani, MUFONnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6624008755912934271.post-12215553219904723782011-07-14T14:50:15.288-04:002011-07-14T14:50:15.288-04:00Unfortunately... all this glib and glitter has cau...Unfortunately... all this glib and glitter has caused a problem of the star-struck star team official that has perpetuated a clouded dilemma of truth versus the personal diversion to cover one's own reputation. I am afraid that MUFON has taken a beating over the pure dissatisfaction of a brow beating of "one individual," and to me that is is something that only KARMA and a revelation of "that persons" own discovery of diception will eventually reveal. MUFON is not folding or going anywhere! They will survive this perpetuated attack, and in doing so they will continue as the major force of UFO disclosure that they have always represented.Gary Mansfield, F.I.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6624008755912934271.post-51514739290594350682011-07-14T14:48:30.753-04:002011-07-14T14:48:30.753-04:00Unfortunately... all this glib and glitter has cau...Unfortunately... all this glib and glitter has caused a problem of the star-struck star team official that has perpetuated a clouded dilemma of truth versus the personal diversion to cover one's own reputation. I am afraid that MUFON has taken a beating over the pure dissatisfaction of a brow beating of "one individual," and to me that is is something that only KARMA and a revelation of "that persons" own discovery of diception will eventually reveal. MUFON is not folding or going anywhere! They will survive this perpetuated attack, and in doing so they will continue as the major force of UFO disclosure that they have always represented.Gary Mansfield, F.I.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6624008755912934271.post-69800353108863039172010-05-27T22:00:57.474-04:002010-05-27T22:00:57.474-04:00Dear Bob,
When I first read this in the MUFON Jour...Dear Bob,<br />When I first read this in the MUFON Journal I had no idea they had pulled a hoax on this guy. Now I don't know if he hoaxed these photos but I do know according to the article, which never mentioned the hoax, they thought, through the preliminary examination, that these could be genuine. I had a problem with the criticism of the photos, even they article said the case was still open<br />Could they have been trying to embarrass Jamie Maussan. <br />The problem with doing that is Jamie, know matter what you believe about his hoax filtering discernment, is being used by many people in Mexico who do see UFOs. When this happens anywhere the hoaxers come out in droves. what happens to anyone including a journalist, who starts to interact daily with people seeing and videoing very strange objects? Is it possible that they become so open minded that their brains fall out from time to time. I think it is the human thing to do. It certainly happens to me from time to time. But, in the end Jamie and people like him is doing a service and he is not the problem. The problem is with the UFO community and how it goes about shooting itself in the foot.<br />Thanks Bob,<br />Joe<br />UFOMMJoseph Capphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12428219762980782866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6624008755912934271.post-33997018590094911032010-05-27T20:45:25.086-04:002010-05-27T20:45:25.086-04:00"Why would you take part in a hoax on a witne...<i>"Why would you take part in a hoax on a witness you thought at the time could be genuine?"</i> <br /><br />Yes, indeedy.Bob Kofordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01739226809252915992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6624008755912934271.post-23115810783591867552010-05-26T11:02:03.918-04:002010-05-26T11:02:03.918-04:00Dear Bruce,
you're never a gadfly to me. I hav...Dear Bruce,<br />you're never a gadfly to me. I have an idea for MUFON why don't they exclude anyone with a intelligence background from being an International Director or state Director. We are just not as smart as these intelligence folks. <br />Thanks Bruce<br />joe<br />UFOMMJoseph Capphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12428219762980782866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6624008755912934271.post-32392038306917822762010-05-26T10:57:26.914-04:002010-05-26T10:57:26.914-04:00Dear Daniel,
It should be noted that the two prev...Dear Daniel,<br />It should be noted that the two previous International Directors of MUFON had intelligence background. After James Carrion left he wrote a hit piece claiming, ufo researchers, NIDS at the Sleepwalker ranch and many others inside MUFON were frauds. He said he found this out going through the MUFONs documents he was to create a database for all of us which we all thought would be great. The database is not that good and James caused more harm than good since he had taken over. James also did a hit on a UFO Witness in Mexico when a show pulled a hoax on a witnesses MUFON was investigating. In the piece done by James in the MUFON Journal James states they all thought the photos could be genuine. Why would you take part in a hoax on a witness you thought at the time could be genuine? One of the photos in the piece showed an upright tree and the UFO near the branches. James claimed their was evidence of a pole or post on the tree holding the object up. But when I went to You Tube and watched the video of this case I saw the same tree bent over in the background and you could see the piece he said was a poll or post on the tree was nothing other than a tree branch. <br />It is very strange inside of MUFON and I can't figure it out.<br />Thanks for a great comment.<br />Joe<br />UFOMMJoseph Capphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12428219762980782866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6624008755912934271.post-4541264716650859792010-05-26T09:48:12.146-04:002010-05-26T09:48:12.146-04:00Hi Joesph,
One thing I learned in corporate manage...Hi Joesph,<br />One thing I learned in corporate management within a non-profit entity was that if you were sincere in wanting to transform or influence the steering of an organization's mission, you expect criticism but...you do it from the inside, and not take a brickbat and throw rocks after you pull the ripcord. <br /><br />To me this shows a great deal of emotional immaturity, a sort of sour grapes mentality. However, MUFON does have serious problems but when you consider what they are involved in, that should come as no surprise. Is the glass half empty or half full? <br /><br />The unquestioned inclusion of Budd Hopkins as an expert while Mark Jacobs exposed the Achilles Heel of their methodology is disturbing.<br /><br />Name calling is more of the same rot that has infected UFOlogy from the beginning, that's why there is no UfOlogy, just a collection of pernicious gadfly's like myself. <br /><br />A more mature and leavened reorganization from the top down as well as a concise and coherent mission statement that includes a tighter focus..in other words they need someone outside of MUFON..to actually manage MUFON..not just make ceremonial or caustic statements. <br /><br />I don't care whether an organization if managing housing, bean production or investigations, you can't escape the need for organizational clarity. Less opinion, more facts. <br /><br />There are plenty of opinions which all point to MUFON as a sick puppy.<br />Theory and practice need to be coherent.<br />Best Wishes<br />BruceBruce Duensinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06770861553045757360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6624008755912934271.post-89554655821566371132010-05-26T09:19:31.386-04:002010-05-26T09:19:31.386-04:00Hi.
On surface, Ken Cherry seems like an egomania...Hi.<br /><br />On surface, Ken Cherry seems like an egomaniac and sloppy thinker. There are lots of those in the UFO field but I haven't seen anyone promoting himself and trying to jump into fame through MUFON quite like this before.<br /><br />I don't know Ken Cherry's intentions but when I first saw this I came to think of how easy it would be to entertain a directed campaign towards MUFON by divide and conquer for disinfo purposes. Since most of the people involved donate their own precious time to involve themselves with MUFON, it wouldn't be that hard to select a (funded) fitting persona to professionally engage and try to seriously climb the ranks within MUFON. To climb to a directors position within a MUFON-district is very doable I think. Within a year (or two), it's my sad belief that most credible and sensible locally engaged investigators would have enough with the antics of the director and consequentially would quit. A purging of sorts. That director could then choose to build up the MUFON-district again with people of the same "opinions" and more effectively continue to poison the rest of MUFON from within... I firmly believe this situation in MUFON Texas is threatening the Texas organization and also the whole MUFON credibility from within. If the rest of MUFON Texas can't solve their leadership, their spontaneous collaborative group will soon drastically diminish. I'm glad to see people react and cause an "uproar"!<br /><br />This could be a disinfo-campaign but I don't believe it's the most likely explanation. The UFO field has so many problems within itself that most of the time outside interference is not even needed. <br /><br />But sometimes I wonder of the motivations of some debunkers during history... Why emotionally engage in questions that they express they don't believe in? Why vehemently oppose mystery if the data supports it? Why entrench yourself early on in beliefs you then defend to the death? Why polarize issues early on hence avoiding collaboration and promoting argumentation? Why the trash-talking about witnesses/investigators, focusing away from the data or evidence involved?<br /><br />While I personally believe there are plausible human character flaws behind the motivations of Ken Cherry, it's also easy to see that Cherry is picking up on most of the better discrediting techniques used by media and military: <br />1. Character assassinations. (permanently polluting individuals)<br />2. "The laugh factor" (trivializing subject)<br />3. Dismissing people/data on arbitrary means (no set standard). <br />4. Debunking promising data WITHOUT investigating (investigation by proclamation). <br />5. Debunking promising data DESPITE investigation (agenda). <br />6. Mudding the waters with weak/unsupported "new" beliefs on old UFO-cases (borderline deliberate disinfo). <br />7. Polarizing the UFO field from within with untrue statements about data and people. (divide and conquer)<br /><br />I could go on and on about all the different political strategy and psychological warfare Ken Cherry gets right here if he really was out to hurt MUFON in particular or the UFO-field in general. You tell me if that's coincidental. The man must have either been trained in certain fields or picked up all these techniques by himself. These are used in specific fields like advertising, marketing, military security and propaganda, lobbying, professional politics and nothing most people is trained in or being consciously aware of.<br /><br />I don't know what to make of Ken Cherry. What I do know is that he's dangerous to MUFON itself. I hope he resigns so everybody within MUFON and a lot of us in Ufology can go on.<br /><br />Thanks for the blog Joseph!<br />All the best,<br /><br />Daniel Bergh, Sweden.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00072766173671696948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6624008755912934271.post-64390243697715228762010-05-26T08:18:43.430-04:002010-05-26T08:18:43.430-04:00Dear Alfred,
I agree this guy should be kept away...Dear Alfred,<br /><br />I agree this guy should be kept away from UFO witnesses we already had "The Decider" for 8 years we don't need one of these characters in MUFON. unless he's kept away from our natural resource, UFO witnesses.<br /><br />Thanks Alfred.<br />Joe<br />UFOMMJoseph Capphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12428219762980782866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6624008755912934271.post-18900795482513127762010-05-26T07:53:38.831-04:002010-05-26T07:53:38.831-04:00Well reported, Sir!
Yes, Mr. Cherry seems a pore ...Well reported, Sir!<br /><br />Yes, Mr. Cherry seems a pore of the first wash and an excellent example of a bad example... an example of the noisome negativist laughing up his damp sleeve at that which he allows himself no capacity to understand, no aptitude to accept, no ability to incorporate, and no skill to recognize.<br /><br />Plus, shilling Tim Printy and _his_ tedious reductionism?!<br /><br />Doesn't anyone else smell klasskurtxian axes burning?Alfred Lehmberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02028589165474437987noreply@blogger.com