UFO Motherships: Proof Of ET?

One strong indication that UFOs are not just paranormal phenomena is the physical proof, and reports by military pilots of enormous UFO vessels reported since WWII.

These massive “motherships” have been confirmed on radar. And according to both radar and pilot reports, some motherships are over a mile long.

To get an idea of the scale of UFO motherships, take a look at the photos below, featuring the world’s largest commercial jet, the Air Bus A380. At 239 feet and 3 inches, the A380 is a massive plane:

Let’s take a look at the size of the Stephenville UFO, according to the best estimates from the Article winding up the investigation by on The Stephevill case MUFON Journal No. 484, August 2008. “ The craft was closer to 1000” rather then the 500 ft previously speculated on…by the way they are still having sightings Around Stephenvill Texas the the only think that is gone from that area is the media.

. I’ve made the comparison to 800 feet in size so those who easily cry foul… will have to call me names instead…That object was hugh and may easily been bigger.”

Mothership were not new although they were not reported as “motherships”. In one report by Hellcat pilots during WWII. The pilots were under standing orders to guard airspace over this certain location “at all costs”, without knowing why. Now we know this Hellcat group was protecting Hanford’s Atomic Reactor and its secret Atomic Bomb project.

So what exactly did they see? What were they checking up on, more than half a century ago when their group took to the skies?

Keith Chester, in his book Strange Company: Military Encounters with UFOs in WWII pages 188-189, [Anomalist Books] cites pilot reports:
Hellcat 6 went aloft. “They were briefed that radar had detected a fast moving object…It was “Twelve noon time” and under a very clear cool sky.” The UFO? “the size of three aircraft carriers… was very bright [and a] saucer shape…some vapor was being emitted around the portholes or vents. The object hovered at 65 thousand feet, too far up for the Hellcats to reach…after twenty minutes it went straight up and disappeared.”

Remember, this was in the 1940s.
Massive UFOs have been filmed and reported by reputable witnesses, including pilots and police. These massive craft named motherships because they may have smaller craft aboard. There have been radar reports of large object releasing small object and even retreveing them.
It sounds perfectly logical to me to put your smaller vessel into a larger vessel.

Here is a DVD of a pilots reports on a massive UFO.

The changing of shape and mass should be included in the mothership concept, beyond what they can do, by way of acceleration and maneuvers.


I’m going to Mexico! Look for the next UFOMM post from there. PS: We’re staying at sea level this trip…

Joseph Capp
UFO Media Matters

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The Man Who Wasn’t There: Newhouse

I’m writing for you, the future UFO researcher and investigator, and you can take this as a prophetic hint or a powerful history lesson: Don’t let the debunkers make your credible UFO witness a non-entity.

This increasingly common debunker’s tactic of removing the witness from center stage has been very successful. This tactic allows debunkers to isolate the evidence from the people and then manipulate that evidence by shifting the focus to explainable data while excluding witness testimony and any other real-time data. This removal of the witness from center stage in UFO casework highlights the need to advocate for the witness in a public way.

That is exactly what didn’t happen in the Lt. Newhouse case, centered on an impeccable military witness who supported and trusted his country and acted on that trust by submitting an 8mm film of his sighting as “evidence” of “flying disks”. This was a big deal. Newhouse was not saying he saw miscellaneous lights in the sky, he was claiming he saw flying craft that were in fact disks.

This post could have been “The Family That Wasn’t There”. Lt. Newhouse’s testimony was further enhanced with statements by his wife and children, witness testimony that was treated as inconsequential, hardly spoken about and noted, even though the family members themselves had the closest sightings.

James McDonald, See Post ;“The Last Scientist” http://ufomedia.blogspot.com/2008/07/last-scientist-part-1.html), sought the Newhouse family out over a decade later. This is from McDonalds about his phone interview with the family:

“As you will recall, one of the key points that I wanted to check with Newhouse concerned the description given by Ruppelt (and repeated in Baker's analysis as reproduced in the 1968 Congressional hearings), namely, that they appeared to be silvery-gray, "gunmetal", and like two pie pans face-to-face. Both Newhouse and his wife fully confirmed that, Newhouse comparing the shape to a discus in his comments to me. Mrs. Newhouse pointed out that they occasionally tipped, so that their round projected area, as seen in the initial portions of the sighting when they were nearly overhead, was replaced occasionally by a side-view exhibiting their discoid shape. There was not the slightest equivocation or any element of uncertainty as either of them discussed that very important point…

I should add that Newhouse returned to the above point several times in the course of our 50-minute telephone conversation, since, as he remarked, the matter of the visual observation was extremely important in his estimate. He commented on the point that almost no one who has since discussed his sighting and movies takes note of that point. In particular, he volunteered some extremely negative comments about the analysis in the Condon Report, and, to my queries, replied that no one from the Colorado team ever personally contacted him. When I asked him, in that connection, if he rejected their "gull hypothesis," he replied in the affirmative and said that, if he had a chance, he'd tell Condon the same thing he told Ruppelt: "You'd better go take a better look at some sea gulls!"

“Newhouse said that the Air Force didn't send the originals back to him at any time. He wrote ATIC when a long time had elapsed, and what they did finally send back to him was a color print which he stressed was distinctly inferior to the original. Not only that, but he was positive that they had cut out the first 10 or 20 feet, which were shot when the objects were very much closer and appeared much sharper on the film. (Oh! it just hit me that this may account for the seeming discrepancy between the maximum image size on the Baker-analyzed film and Newhouse's rough recollection that he began the shooting when the objects were at a zenith angle of 45-degrees. The missing footage, which he seemed positive was from the earliest and best parts of his original, would have shown the objects at an angular diameter larger than the later portions that have been involved in subsequent analyses. You follow me, I presume.)

What happened to that clip which clearly showed these object the Newhouse family saw were disk-shaped? The objects on the film were hard to evaluate for any definitive answers. But the tape that was given back to Newhouse was a copy and not the original he had submitted.

This is an extreme closeup…but they were pretty far away by then.

Lt. Newhouse had ample aviation and photography credentials, making him a superior witness and documentor:
“He had about 2,000 air-hours as an aviation photographer by 1952”


“Newhouse's rough recollection that he began the shooting when the objects were at a zenith angle of 45-degrees” would have made them much closer. UFOMM posted an article on missing evidence which was submitted and Newhouse’s was not the only claim of this type. http://ufologie.net/htm/tremontonmcdonald.htm#doc

DVD: Newhouse Film Close Up some footage from Mexico of similar objects:



At conferences, I see UFO researchers who become disenchanted with the whole field simply because of the vehement and irresponsible, knee-jerk attacks other researchers make on witnesses who report UFOs. Today we need to be more vocal as researchers on the side of credible witnesses. It is not enough to throw our hands up and avoid involvement, or push the witness aside, while we pick up our metaphoric slide rules and focus on myriad small things. The testimony of regular Americans is an crucial part of the process of convincing people these are real. After all the great mass of documentary evidence and eye witness testimony is now in the hands of the everyday people --not in the hands of the scientist, debunker or professional UFO researchers.
Gustavo Fernandez describes fanatics in his article: “When Ufologists Become Skeptics”: “A fanatic is someone who, distressed by the dissemination of another’s ideas, claims journalistic censure against these ideas”…
http://inexplicata.blogspot.com/2008/11/when-ufologists-become-skeptics.html
Today, via the Internet, we have instant social media posts of breaking events, and Google searches and via YouTube, rapid distribution of cell phone video and point-and-shoot consumer cameras, we have millions of blogs, and free public access to old-media style wire service distribution that used to be available only to professional journalists and broadcast networks. We must use these great communications media, not as hammers against different new and carefully thought-out ideas, but as a convergeance of public spaces where we must examine the injustices of the debunkers first hand. And we need to rethink our roles as rapid-responders, and publish these injustices as they happen, especially when debunkers and disinfo campaigns are used to make witnesses invisible by minimizing them to death.
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DON’T LET THEM MINIMIZE WITNESS TESTIMONY … LET YOUR TESTIMONY BE HEARD VIA YOUR BLOG, YOUR YOUTUBE, YOUR WEBISTE.

When you have a UFO witness --whether professional or lay orientation—come forward to take the risk and appear on Larry King, take time to call in and confront the debunkers one on one. That kind of pro-witness activism is a great thing to behold… and to participate in.

We have to remember that with massive popular distrust of government officials, major media, and even the now widely documented suppression and falsification of data by science institutions during the Bush presidency, the best way to “sell” the reality of the UFO phenom is to let the everyday people hear and see the everyday UFO witnesses tell their stories.

I do not myself entertain theories that end up making the UFO witnesses constantly idiots. For me, a good theory has to include the human factor, especially in the case of UFOs that seem to demonstrate possible intelligence on the other side.

But regardless of our personal theories about the phenom, we need better ways to investigate. We need fresh input from a new generation in the field -- intelligent people who view the entire anatomy of a UFO event in terms of both human and non-human possibility.

One of the ideas I disagreed with mentioned in the Brad Sparks clip on “MOGUL:The Balloon To Nowhere” was his minimizing certain types of witnesses. The ground truth that allows Mr. Sparks --who I think is a fine investigator-- to theorize is that there would be no counter-story, if it weren’t for the everyday witness: the farmer, rancher and housewife. Brad Sparks and everyone else would not be presenters if not for these witnesses. Despite how they are treated and used and tossed aside they still come forward the Newhouses, Mack Brazels, Betty & Barney Hills…June Crain and many more, brave UFO experiencer who believe with their whole hearts, that there is something deep and good in the nature of humankind, something in each of us that will recognize these most credible witnesses from all walks of life are telling the truth.

This is the real heart of what is happening on our planet …people of all kinds are experiencing the “impossible” and are brave enough to talk about it.

Joe Capp
UFO MEDIA MATTERS
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MOGUL: The Balloon To Nowhere

I heard ten thousand whispering… and nobody listening. Bob Dylan

Of all the ridiculous, insulting explanations for the Roswell crash, MOGUL has to be the worst. So let’s get it straight.

The number 4 flight of this experimental balloon MOGUL, the only one which could have landed near the ranch at the time….never went up.

That’s right. MOGUL Flight 4 was never launched. That is according to notes taken on that day. IT WAS A NO LAUNCH DAY BECAUSE OF BAD WEATHER JUST LIKE THE DAY BEFORE.

I will accept as almost definitive a written report, when there could be no motive to falsify it, over a 50-year old memory from a person who was there and who has an agenda, especially when that agenda is to prove Roswell was a MOGUL balloon. Yes, I’m talking about Charles Moore, defender of the faith, champion of the MOGUL. More on Moore later.

But now, let’s look at the material; challenger to the truth… MOGULS A Rawin Target:


This is not what Major Marcel and Commander Blanchard mistook for a flying saucer.


It’s a damned box kite! When all is said and done, and whatever the military calls it, a box kite is what it is and not difficult to recognize it, what it would look like. What it would look like if you found this out in the dirt, in a rocky field after raining all night in New Mexico in July.


Take this and put it out in the deasert

But maybe…if you were a very dumb intelligence officer and the military just happened to let you guard the Atomic Bomb, and along with a very dumb base commander, the two of you might somehow mistake this shiny box kite for a spaceship, we could make a crazy case for the whacky notions that abound in Debunkerville. But unfortunately, that box kite explanation doesn’t jive, since it looks more like what is shown in the second photo below this kite photo AFTER A MONTH OF DESERT SUN, RAIN, AND WIND.
By the material shown is the same material used on the Rarin Targets.
This box kite would have been sitting out in the desert around a month with rain, wind and the scorching heat of July in the New Mexico desert.
Would you drive out 150 miles round trip in the July desert heat for this trash heap?

We used to make box kites in the fifties out of balsa wood. We reinforced the ends with tape, or they were so fragile, they would break.

Let’s take a look at a MOGUL balloon after it has been exposed in the hot sun:

Enough is Enough.

Do you think an upstanding member of the community would’ve been held in custody for two weeks because of the pathetic material above?

And where was the 700 [seven hundred] feet of braided cord? Where was the microphone? Dry cell batteries and ….?
Oh, forget it. After the debunkers got away with 700 feet of missing cord, a missing microphone, disappearing dry cells and the rest was a done deal. When you distract people with math and wind trajectory, the obvious becomes obscured.

DVD Brad Sparks "A Skeptic" Destroys MOGUL Theory MUFON-
with new Info:





How about Cavett, the counter-intelligence officer right there with Marcel?

Yes, the same Cavett “who couldn’t remember even being stationed at Roswell base in the beginning” and saying against all other accounts including the newspaper; “…[the] debris field was just [a] weather balloon twenty feet across.” Cavett also claimed there was no well-known local rancher Mac Brazel from the sheep ranch, no Marcel, no strange wreckage.

We know Cavett is faking it here. We also know rancher Brazel could easily move his sheep around 20 feet of dried out balloon and a few random sticks of rotten, dried out balsa wood.

By the way, Cavett also says he didn’t see any flowery tape anywhere. Sorry, MOGUL true believers! Cavett’s wife Mary spoke to authors Carey & Schmitt in A Witness To Roswell about her husband’s absolute loyalty:
He won’t tell you anything, they told him not to and he won’t. That is why they picked him in the first place.”

Master Sergeant Rickets, counter-intelligence officer like Cavett, claims Cavett went twice out to two different sites. The wreckage site Rickets was asked to accompany Cavett to as a “second set of eyes” is described by Ricketts.

Rickett, walking out in the debris, was also joined by Edward Easley, Provost Marshal from the base:
“He picked up a 4 by 10 inch slightly curved [piece of ]wreckage, very thin wreckage. It was ‘light as a feather’. He thought it was aluminum and tried to bend it over his knee…Cavett watched him with Major Easley…Cavett to Easley about what Rickett was trying to do: “smart guy trying to do what we couldn’t”. Rickett replied, “For God’s sake what is this stuff made out of…? It can’t be plastic. But it feels like metal…”

Easley kept his oath till he died, repeating to every questioner that he couldn’t discuss the Roswell incident because he was sworn to secrecy.

But the MOGUL experiment was no longer a secret…so what was Easley’s secrecy oath really protecting?

When Cavetti died, he had never acted on a request by his old CIC AFOSI boss Doel Rees from Kirkland Air Force base to “please notify me if you call a press conference to tell the world what you know. I want to be there.”

Wow! The MOGUL that shocked the world!

Witness to Roswell: Unmasking the 60-Year Cover-Up
by Thomas J. Carey and Donald R. Schmitt, 2007, New Page Books [Paperback]

The GEO accounting investigation never interviewed credible officers whose
statements disagreed with their theory.

If you’re going to believe some of the witnesses’ testimony, like the claim about some strange kind of tape that could have fit a MOGUL balloon --if a MOGUL-type balloon had ever actually arrived there-- then you must accept those same people reporting aluminum without paper backing (a material type never used on MOGUL) along with the claim made by witnesses who handled it and who saw others handle it, that the substance was extremely strong, including the testimony that you couldn’t cut this strange material or burn it.

Also let me say one other thing about how the writing on these craft is asserted to be so fantastic as to discredit the witness testimony: there have been thousands of close encounters where strange written symbols have been described on craft. So something resembling “tape” that “could not be peeled away” may have been part of a real UFO.

Quote From Brig. Gen. Thomas Jefferson Dubose:
“Actually, it was a cover story, the balloon part of it...Somebody cooked up
the idea as a cover story ...we'll use this weather balloon…We were told this
is the story that is to be given to the press, and that is it, and anything else,
forget it…McMullen told me, ‘You are not to discuss this… this is more than top secret… it’s beyond that.’”

And I would go beyond this. If this case was beyond top secret, then we can bet a detailed and elaborate disinformation campaign had to be launched by both Army and Air Force right away, including planting fake debris and false rumors.

One truth that comes out of all this is hidden in plain view: the more the military examined the Roswell debris, the more they wanted to find its source.

Another macro-scale truth: officers who are bound by their security oaths and reported publicly the Roswell incident was a balloon have a perfect right to mislead. Yet another obvious conclusion the military record affords is career rewards. The better job you do in managing a hot potato like Roswell with a complex and successful coverup --like Blanchard did-- the better chance you have to go all the way to the top. What else was obvious from the record was that Blanchard was on his way to the top, until his heart attack.

And now for some technical fodder on fakery. Here’s the scoop on how debunkers turn into hoaxers with discoverable errors, a twisted case study within a case study offered originally by David Rudiak in his Virtually Strange Network post “Charles Moore's Mogul Balloon Trajectory Hoax”, from Errol Bruce-Knapp’s noted archival site http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2004/jan/m01-007.shtml, and mirrored in short form at http://roswellproof.homestead.com/mogul_hoax_faq.html :

“But when Brad Sparks and I went over Moore's tables and calculations in 2002, we discovered Moore's trajectory was fraudulent and that Moore had resorted to numerous cheats to get his balloon to his desired location. …

1) Moore's actual table balloon rise/fall rates seriously conflict with half of his given ones (thus crazy numbers like 100/12.1 = 350 or 852/2.8 = 100)
2) Moore claimed he was assuming the balloon had perfectly functioning equipment, but instead he secretly treated it as faulty. In setting up his calculation table, he gave it drastically shortened rise and fall times to drastically shorten the trajectory and prevent serious overshoot of the crash site.
3) Moore claimed to be calculating his final trajectory using one method (that was correct), but used another instead that was mathematically incorrect, again to shorten the trajectory.

“Well surely Prof. Moore has refuted your charges as baseless, right?
Wrong. The only word from Moore, via debunker Dave Thomas, is that Moore "didn't want to get into the math."

“If our charges had no merit, math would be the first thing Moore would argue.”

Let's get into the details. Did Moore claim that he was assuming Flight #4 used their best equipment, was similarly configured to and flew and well or better than the successful Flight #5 the next day?

Yes he did. This clearly implied he was also assuming Flight #4's altitude control equipment functioned properly, like Flight #5, and #4 should have had similar rise and fall profiles as #5.

So did Moore use a similar rise profile as Flight #5?

After setting it up his #4 trajectory table (rightly or wrongly) did Moore calculate the final trajectory properly?

No, he did not. He said he was doing it one way (which was one correct way of calculating it), but in reality, he did it differently. So again he was cheating by saying one thing and doing another. But worse, the way he really did it was mathematically bogus. Moore built various wind symmetries and correspondences into his table that were destroyed by his improper method of calculation. E.g., his table indicated identical wind values for the same altitude intervals on the up and down sides. But Moore carried all his wind values back through the previous altitude. This had the effect of applying the same winds to totally different altitude intervals on the up and down sides instead of applying them to the same intervals.”

A hoax built by a “True Believer”. Read the whole report on the MOGUL hoax below and remember: debunkers don’t have to prove anything because the only people paying attention don’t count in the strange upside-down world of Debunkerville.
Here is some Clips of another UFO incident that was easily explained - not.
Great DVD Clips:"The Phoenix Lights Doumentary"

My vaction To Peru ended quickly because of
I had an extreme case of Elievation Sickness.
Thanks To my wife and the Peruvian People
I am back to myself...whatever that means?

Joseph Capp
UFO Media Matters
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